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    Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 4:43pm
While it will not show a route Allstays app will provide excellent information on grades.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 6:20am
I'm on that stretch of 70 in the rockies all the time.the down grades are only 5-7%. but still steep and needeing some braking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 11:02pm
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Originally posted by Rustler

 
Google Earth doesn't deal with tunnels correctly. Maybe they will get the problem fixed in the future. In the meantime we'll just ignore grades shown in tunnels. 

Russ,

You broke the code on Eisenhower tunnel. I see that now. However, try the Lee Vining, CA to Yosemite National Park route. This traverses Tioga Pass to the park entrance. GE shows the max slope as 25%. There is a little wiggle in the plot that does show 25%, but I've climbed that road and the max incline in that area is 9%. No tunnels, but there may be some fill. I guess you take Google Earth with a grain of salt, or a big chunk of rock Wink, but it is fun to play with it. Thanks for the tip.


Yeah, Google Earth elevation profile is a work in progress. I suspect the very short sections of excessive grade (the little wiggles) are due to errors in the ground elevation at different points along the route. Yes, maybe it has to do with the road cuts and fills. When I run a route from Coos Bay, Oregon to Mount Shasta City, California, it doesn't show any obviously erroneous grades. So the results will of course vary with the particulars. But it is kinda fun to play with.

I've noticed another strange thing. Sometimes the close up view of a bridge shows the roadway surface of the bridge laying on the river-bed below. Yes, a work in progress.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by Rustler

 
Google Earth doesn't deal with tunnels correctly. Maybe they will get the problem fixed in the future. In the meantime we'll just ignore grades shown in tunnels. 

Russ,

You broke the code on Eisenhower tunnel. I see that now. However, try the Lee Vining, CA to Yosemite National Park route. This traverses Tioga Pass to the park entrance. GE shows the max slope as 25%. There is a little wiggle in the plot that does show 25%, but I've climbed that road and the max incline in that area is 9%. No tunnels, but there may be some fill. I guess you take Google Earth with a grain of salt, or a big chunk of rock Wink, but it is fun to play with it. Thanks for the tip.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by CharlieM

Originally posted by Rustler

Someone on this forum shared a very interesting feature of the Google Earth program that is of great use for Rpod towing:
  • Select "Get Directions" (From - to - Destination)
  • The route will be shown in a different color (blue)
  • Point at the route and right-click
  • Select "Show Elevation Profile"
This will display a profile of the route with grades and distances along the route. You can highlight portions of any steep grades to show length, average and maximum grade. This can be quite useful for trip planning.

I must be doing something wrong. I tried Google Earth going from Denver to Vail, CO. The elevation profile showed grades of +34% to -50% along the route. No way!
I tried the same route and also noticed some very strange (steep) grades. But when I zoomed in on the area with these anomalies, it is in the location of the Eisenhower Tunnel. Evidently Google Earth is using ground elevation (the mountain above the tunnel) to calculate the road profile. So I would just ignore the results for the portion of the route in the tunnel. Using Google Earth you can easily determine ground elevation and geographic coordinates - just point the cursor at the location of interest. There isn't a tremendous elevation difference between both ends of the tunnel. The ends are at 11,186 feet and 11,075 feet, just a 100 feet difference. Using the "Tools - Ruler" utility the straight-line distance between tunnel entrances is 1.72  miles. So the average grade in the tunnel is not severe.

So you didn't do anything wrong, Charlie. Google Earth doesn't deal with tunnels correctly. Maybe they will get the problem fixed in the future. In the meantime we'll just ignore grades shown in tunnels.  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 8:25pm
You can only take that route with a helipod.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by Rustler

Someone on this forum shared a very interesting feature of the Google Earth program that is of great use for Rpod towing:
  • Select "Get Directions" (From - to - Destination)
  • The route will be shown in a different color (blue)
  • Point at the route and right-click
  • Select "Show Elevation Profile"
This will display a profile of the route with grades and distances along the route. You can highlight portions of any steep grades to show length, average and maximum grade. This can be quite useful for trip planning.

I must be doing something wrong. I tried Google Earth going from Denver to Vail, CO. The elevation profile showed grades of +34% to -50% along the route. No way!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 3:36pm
Rustler, I actually remember the left-side emergency truck ramp on that pass because it is so unusual to have one on the left.  We went through there this summer.  One of the links at the top, I don't remember which pass, has video of a truck taking a left-side ramp (wrecking his truck in the process).

I wish Google Maps had that same feature.

With our pod I rarely needed brakes on downhills except on the steepest hills, auto-downshifting and advanced engine braking (fuel cut, valves closed) did most of the work.  With our current rig I need to apply brakes on most hills.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 10:08am
On our most recent trip, we had some pretty steep up and down grades. We tow our RP-179 with a Ford Escape. On the downhill slopes, the transmission will downshift automatically to help keep us from speeding up too much. Even so, on some of the down slopes, I had to use the brakes also. I'm really glad that the R-Pod's electric brakes work so well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 6:19am
Interesting points!
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