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    Posted: 23 Aug 2015 at 8:48pm
Glad you got it working.  It is odd that the manufacturers just don't put all that info on the dash, even if only on the digital readout.
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It was a while ago, but when I started considering trans temp someone here on the forum suggested a OBD II scan gauge and whoever it was, (searched but cannot find) I just want to say THANK YOU! I was totally clueless about such devices. I'm aware of the diagnostics port of course, but had no idea you could use an after market interface to tap all of the data the ecm holds and use it to monitor TV systems. So, after considering many other options I purchased the scan gauge II and it WORKS! Apparently the Ranger has a Trans Temp senor used to activate a solenoid after reaching temp to allow fluid to flow through the cooler and the scan gauge picks up the temp through the X-Gauge feature...solves so many problems trying to add an after market trans gauge, not to mention all of the whistles and bells that come with it. Thanks again! This forum rocks! Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by techntrek

We both posted at the same time, Charlie, people are going to think we are the same person.

You really think this much knowledge, experience, and general BS could be collected in one person, Doug? They'd never believe it. Tongue
 
Ok, so Honda has a specialty connector at the rear of the vehicle, I see now.  That means all of the wiring is there.  If you want to save some money you could map out which pins go to which pins on the Bargeman, get the part numbers off of the relays, then return the kit.  Buy the $5 Bargeman and hook up the wires manually using the pinouts you copied.  Get the relays from a local auto parts store.

I'm basically lazy so I'd take John's approach of buying the kit with all the parts. Installation instructions look detailed enough to make success probable. At least they're not written in Chinglish.

Compared to the ScanGuage and other options the Interceptor is pricey.  What I liked about it is you don't need to mess with setup codes.  You buy one specific to your vehicle brand.

I looked at the Intercepter on their site. Looks interesting, but they don't seem to support Hondas. But I want to emphasize to John that, regardless of what the companies say in their general capabilities section, you can only monitor what the vehicle computer puts out on the bus. The Honda guys have been trying hard to measure engine oil temp, but looks like it ain't there on the bus.

And Doug, your engine coolant temperature reading may actually be displaying the surface temperature of newly discovered Asteroid Hillary as it enters the Earth's atmosphere. Just a guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 1:06pm
We both posted at the same time, Charlie, people are going to think we are the same person.
 
Ok, so Honda has a specialty connector at the rear of the vehicle, I see now.  That means all of the wiring is there.  If you want to save some money you could map out which pins go to which pins on the Bargeman, get the part numbers off of the relays, then return the kit.  Buy the $5 Bargeman and hook up the wires manually using the pinouts you copied.  Get the relays from a local auto parts store.
 
Compared to the ScanGuage and other options the Interceptor is pricey.  What I liked about it is you don't need to mess with setup codes.  You buy one specific to your vehicle brand.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 11:06am
Originally posted by techntrek

Find out what brand & type the WDH is and we can help figure that out.
 
Do you mean the 7-pin Bargeman connection at the rear of the vehicle, or the 4 pin wiring harness used to connect a brake controller under the dash?  The Bargeman is a generic part which can be purchased very cheaply like this.  A good brake controller (Prodigy) with specific harness for the Ridgeline is about $150 on the same site, maybe that is what you meant?  Installing either item is fairly easy, they just take a little time.
 
Keep in mind the temperature gauge on the dash may not show EITHER the actual oil or coolant temperature even though the manual may lead you to believe that.  After installing the Interceptor I found that to be true with the temperature gauge in the Chevys - the temp on the dash isn't the temperatures the computer reads and uses in its computations/warnings.  That's one benefit of using the aftermarket readers that talk to the computer.

My base-model Ridgeline RT doesn't come standard with the 7-pin trailer connector and control box, so I ordered this kit: http://www.handa-accessories.com/ridgeline/09harness.pdf.  The fancier model RTL Ridgelines come form the factory with the 7-pin harness and receptacle.

I also ordered a Tekonsha Prodigy P3 brake controller with the wiring adapter that plugs directly into the Honda control box from eTrailer.

So hopefully between the two I will have everything I need for the lights and brakes.

The Ridgelines come standard with a transmission cooler, but no temp gauge, just an "idiot light" on the dash to indicate overheat.  I'll have to look into the Interceptor unit you mentioned. 

I have no idea what model WDH the seller has.  I will call them and try to find out and let you know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 10:50am
John,

There are several type of WDHs available. Those that connect the spring bars to the trailer frame with short vertical chains are most common. The amount of weight redistribution is controlled by the number of links in the vertical  chain (length of the chain). These provide WDH only and no sway control. Here's an example:

http://www.etrailer.com/Weight-Distribution/Pro-Series/PS49583.html

Sway control can be added with a friction device that connects between a second ball on the TV and the trailer frame. These sway devices must be disconnected when you back up and are susceptible to damage if you don't. Here's an example:

http://www.etrailer.com/Weight-Distribution/Curt/17200.html

These combos are made by Reese, Curt, Blue Ox, and many others. BTW, E-Trailer is an excellent source of info, help and parts. So with these hitches you can get weight distribution and sway control separately or combined. Some new owners try to start out with just the friction sway control, then realize they want WDH. By then they are sort of locked in to the combo.

The Fastway E2 and its big brother Equilizer WDHs provide both weight redistribution and sway control in one unit. The 600/6000# model is very popular with Podders.

http://www.amazon.com/Fastway-94-00-0600-Round-Weight-Distribution/dp/B0071L3H2E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433341313&sr=8-1&keywords=fastway+e2+6000

Depending on what your seller has you might want to use his for a while and stick with it, or buy something else. Your call.

On the Honda 7 pin harness, I never did understand why Honda did not include the extra harness and connector. They did with other models of the Pilot, but did not for the 4WD version. I think all the harnessing is in place from the dash/engine area to somewhere near the rear. Installation should be simple. Make sure you get the relay that disconnects the trailer battery charging line from the truck battery when the ignition is off. I'm not sure if that relay is part of the stock truck or must be added with the 7 pin kit.

In the Florida flatlands you will not have any trouble with transmission temperature. However, if you get a monitor you can get an idea of how it behaves. When you get to hills and mountains you'll see the temperature rise. My Pilot had an idiot light to indicate transmission over-temp. It never came on and I don't know what temp it is set for, but I always watched the ScanGauge. The idiot light was there to tell me I was in trouble. The ScanGauge told me I was getting in trouble. There are other monitor systems available. Techntrek mentioned one. They all require a code entry for setup. If you end up with the ScanGauge I can find the code for you. Just send me a private message (PM). The gauge will also tell you to turn of the overdrive while towing.

Happy towing

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 10:45am
Find out what brand & type the WDH is and we can help figure that out.
 
Do you mean the 7-pin Bargeman connection at the rear of the vehicle, or the 4 pin wiring harness used to connect a brake controller under the dash?  The Bargeman is a generic part which can be purchased very cheaply like this.  A good brake controller (Prodigy) with specific harness for the Ridgeline is about $150 on the same site, maybe that is what you meant?  Installing either item is fairly easy, they just take a little time.
 
Keep in mind the temperature gauge on the dash may not show EITHER the actual oil or coolant temperature even though the manual may lead you to believe that.  After installing the Interceptor I found that to be true with the temperature gauge in the Chevys - the temp on the dash isn't the temperatures the computer reads and uses in its computations/warnings.  That's one benefit of using the aftermarket readers that talk to the computer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 8:16am
Originally posted by CharlieM

John,

My Pilot had the same note re WDH and I used the E2 on it for a year, including a 5000+ mile trip from FL to the Colorado mountain passes. No problems. Honda is correct in saying an improperly adjusted WDH can cause problems. In fact it can be downright dangerous, but that is true of any WDH on any tow vehicle (TV). My 172 was advertised at ~2200# and came in at ~2750# with batteries and propane.
Still well within your 5000# rating so no problem. Your setup falls into my "You may not need WDH, but you'll want  WDH". The WDH smooths out the bouncing and porpoising from dips and bumps. If you read the forum, searching on WDH, you'll find lots of folks that tried without, but later added it. Even F150 and Suburban drivers go back and add WDH. BTW there should be a yellow sticker on the 171 stating the exact weight as it left the factory. To that you have to add battery(s) and propane tank (s) for an "empty" weight.

The E2 I used (and still use) provided both weight distribution and sway control. I do not recomment the friction type swayy control devices. You have to remove them before backing and they tend to bend.

I think your Ridgeline comes with 4WD? My Pilot was and I too had to pay Honda to install he 7 pin connector. If you plan much mountain driving You'll need a transmission oil cooler. It was included in my 4WD package, but may be standard on the Ridgeline. Transmission heating is the biggest problem when hauling weight up hill. You might also want ScanGauge to monitor transmission temperature and other neat things. Simple, inexpensive, and plugs in to the OBD2 connector. You might guess that I'm an engineer (EE) too and love gauges and numbers.

A new camper is always an adventure. Just get ready to start making mods. That's the best part, aside from actually camping in it. Thumbs Up

I'm not sure what kind of WDH the seller has, but I will take a look at it.  I don't know anything about them but this helps.  What should I look for with this hitch, in my research I see several different kinds.

I found the Honda 7-pin harness online for ~$150.  I had the truck at the dealer yesterday for an oil change and stopped at the parts counter and it is almost $200 from them, plus another ~$150 for them to install it, so I may try installing it myself.  It doesn't look too hard to install.  I have to get down under the dash to install the brake controller anyway. 

Yup, the Ridgeline is 4WD and comes standard with a transmission oil cooler.  Before I go up in the mountains, I may have to check out the temperature gauge.  For starters, we plan to make a few trips in flatland Florida just to get the hang of it before venturing out further.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jun 2015 at 9:54pm
You may want an extra oil cooler too.  Like the Scan Gauge Charlie mentioned, I installed an AeroForce Interceptor to monitor my vitals and long climbs can cook the oil.  Keder is the word Charlie is looking for, the older pods had a smaller C channel so need a smaller keder, which is what feeds into the C channel. 

Charlie - we can conference call tomorrow to get our stories straight!
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