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    Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 5:47pm
Been working on issues with a 171i just got.  First thing was electrical.  Surge protector indicated an open ground and reverse polarity.  I’m not real good at electricity so called an electrician friend.  He was puzzled at first.  I had also got small shocks from this one and previous trailer.  

  He decided my outlet I was plugged into was not grounded.  He drove a rod into the ground and touched it to bare metal on trailer and open ground and reverse polarity was no longer indicated on surge protector.  Put a new circuit in house I knew would be grounded and that fixed the problem.  

  The trailer hitch was sitting on gravel and the was not enough to ground trailer good enough.  Taking a ground rod with me in case electrical source is not a grounded circuit 
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I'm glad to see this thread is still making an impact.  I'll add that since I posted this, I've checked my hookup with an outlet tester and NCVT every time (I have a voltage display inside), and I've found multiple campgrounds with miswired power poles.
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I just gotten my tester yesterday, now I will make sure I test my pod every time... Thanks for the information! It could be a matter of life or death!
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Thank you for sharing such amazing tips. It's good to be a part of such helpful community.
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What size?

https://www.amazon.com/Fluke-1AC-A1-II-VoltAlert-Non-Contact-Voltage/dp/B00ATGPRRQ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1523555149&sr=8-10&keywords=Volt-Alert
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Originally posted by mjlrpod

As I understand it, my hardwired EMS will protect against a hot skin condition. As far as i know, I dont need to check for it, or worry about it (as long as the EMS is working) Or is that not true ?


What is an EMS?


I'm going to do a two-fer and answer both questions at once. An EMS is a type of surge protector that including on-board testing for over and under voltages, as well as an open ground. EMS is short for Electrical Monitoring System and typically sold by two main companies, Progressive Industries and SurgeGuard. Expect to pay between $300 to $500 for a "smart" surge protector with EMS capabilities. And no, just because you have an EMS installed doesn't mean you can't have a hot-skin voltage. One of the most dangerous mis-wiring conditions I've discovered and named is an RPBG for Reverse Polarity Bootleg Ground, and there's no surge protector on the market, smart EMS or whatever" that can detect or disconnect your RV from an RPBG miswired outlet. Here's the article where I introduce the concept of an RPBG to the construction industry: http://www.ecmweb.com/contractor/failures-outlet-testing-exposed

Also, I'm going to be on the RV Show USA radio program this evening from 6:30 to 7:30PM Central Time, so call up and ask your question if you can. https://www.facebook.com/TheRVShowUSA/ Here's more info below:

RV Electricity editor Mike Sokol will appear later TODAY on the syndicated radio program, The RV Show USA. The program is taped live on Facebook to be broadcast later on radio stations across the USA.

Mike will be the guest for one hour beginning at:

Pacific Time: 4:30 p.m.
Mountain Time: 5:30 p.m.
Central Time: 6:30 p.m.
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During the show, please call in with your questions for Mike toll free at 1-855-296-7469.
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Originally posted by mjlrpod

As I understand it, my hardwired EMS will protect against a hot skin condition. As far as i know, I dont need to check for it, or worry about it (as long as the EMS is working) Or is that not true ?


What is an EMS?
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Posts: 1214 		Post Options Post Options   Quote mjlrpod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 2:32pm
As I understand it, my hardwired EMS will protect against a hot skin condition. As far as i know, I dont need to check for it, or worry about it (as long as the EMS is working) Or is that not true ?
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Originally posted by babyboogerfamily

I started reading more from the Save Zone blog and I gather that if I test the voltage from the junction first, then the exterior of the camper with a no-contact test followed by a non-contact test internally for an outlet followed again by a voltage test I should be good?  So I need the non-contact meter and a voltage meter?
What I do is check to make sure the "correct" pin on the outlet is hot. Then I check to make sure I have the correct voltage between pins on the outlet. If that's OK, then you are 90% OK.

This will not protect you from surges or brown outs; only that the initial hookup is correct.
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I started reading more from the Save Zone blog and I gather that if I test the voltage from the junction first, then the exterior of the camper with a no-contact test followed by a non-contact test internally for an outlet followed again by a voltage test I should be good?  So I need the non-contact meter and a voltage meter?
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