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Topic: What size generator do we need?
Posted By: FrogCouple
Subject: What size generator do we need?
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 12:07pm
Hi everyone!
We are the proud owners of a new 2014 178 RPod weighing in at 2820 pounds! Delivery is expected any day now and we are excited to take it out for our first time! We will be towing it with our 2010 Rav4 V6. We are glad to come across this forum with so much helpful information from everyone.
Currently we are looking at purchasing a generator and really don't know what to buy, does anyone have any tips for us, size, weight, etc. etc. Thank you so much     



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Posted By: Camper Bob
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 1:00pm
Congrats. I guess the first question I would ask is why you think you want or need a generator. If you are going to campgrounds with full hookups there isn't a need for a generator. If your camping includes areas without a hookup, you are pretty self contained with the battery up front. Of course you won't be able to use the microwave or A/C but depending on where and what type of camping you intend to do, would decide if you need a generator. I personally have a Honda 2KW which should handle all of your electrical needs if used judiciously. Won't run the A/C, however, many have been able to get the A/C going with a 2KW generator. Others will suggest that if price is a concern, there are other manufacturers, but I prefer the long life and dependability of the Honda products. I'm sure many others will chime in with their thoughts. Safe Travels.

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Camper Bob and Camper Sue
Gracie the Wonder Dog (12 LB. Mini Dachshund)
2013 Rpod 171HRE(ORPod)
2016 Lance 1685
2015 Nissan Pathfinder


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 1:36pm

If you will be camping in a standard campground w/o hookups, usually you aren't allowed to run the genset overnight.  It isn't a problem in disbursed camping (found more often in the west).

You'll need a bigger genset if you want to run two large-amperage appliances at one time, like the A/C and microwave, but that will use more fuel all of the time.  You don't have to go as big if you are ok with turning the A/C off while you nuke dinner, and that saves gas.
 
There are two basic types of generators.  Inverter-generator and standard generator.  The later always runs at 3600 rpms no matter how much load is put on them, they are loud, and they use a lot of fuel.  The newer inverter-generators will go to idle when there is no load or a light load, and often run well below 3600 rpms even with a full load.  The housing and exhaust is also designed to be quiet.  As a result they are much quieter and use less fuel most of the time.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Boomertype
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 1:40pm
Welcome to the group!
Lots of folks use the Honda 2000 generator.  It weights 46+ pounds dry and add another 8 pounds for gas.  Add 8.5 pounds for every galloon of gas you carry with you.
The bigger question is - what do want the the generator to provide power for?  How long will you be using it once you fire it up. Plus do you really want to listen to a generator even though it's a "quiet" generator. Also remember if you are dry camping and carry a full tank of water (300 lbs.)and may have to drive away with a full black and gray water tank (550 Lbs.), you have an extra 600-700 pounds of fluid.  You will be rapidly exceeding your Rav4's 3500 lb. capacity.  And that's a real safety and stress issue on your Rav4.


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 10:25pm
Yamaha makes a 2400w generator that will start and run the AC.  It's about as quiet as a Honda or Yamaha 2000w generator.  Except for starting the AC 2000 watts is enough for everything else.  Where you camp also affects how much noise you might want to make.  Most other brands and most larger generators will make a lot of noise.  Aside from your own aural comfort your neighbors will appreciate your low decibel choice of a Honda or Yamaha. 

If you are camping where you don't need to care about the noise I'm pretty sure 3000 watts will cover just about everything you are likely to want to do in a Pod.

Think about how you are going to haul this thing and its gasoline around.  It's no small consideration, especially when your TV is something like a Rav4.  And unless you can leave it where it is when you haul it you need to think about how you're going to move it to and from where you use it.  A 3000w generator can weigh more than a lot of people care to lift in and out of things.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 10:17am
Honda's 3000 watt inverter unit is quieter than the 2000, based on their own decibel rating (full load and 1/4 load).  I believe this is achieved by over-sizing the engine on the 3000 and then running it at a very low idle.
 
A note that I posted a Yamaha 2400 for sale in the Flea Market section yesterday.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Thinker
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2014 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

Yamaha makes a 2400w generator that will start and run the AC.  It's about as quiet as a Honda or Yamaha 2000w generator.  Except for starting the AC 2000 watts is enough for everything else.  Where you camp also affects how much noise you might want to make.  Most other brands and most larger generators will make a lot of noise.  Aside from your own aural comfort your neighbors will appreciate your low decibel choice of a Honda or Yamaha.  If you are camping where you don't need to care about the noise I'm pretty sure 3000 watts will cover just about everything you are likely to want to do in a Pod.Think about how you are going to haul this thing and its gasoline around.  It's no small consideration, especially when your TV is something like a Rav4.  And unless you can leave it where it is when you haul it you need to think about how you're going to move it to and from where you use it.  A 3000w generator can weigh more than a lot of people care to lift in and out of things.TT



My Honda 2000i would start and run the AC on my 171. Cool thing about the Honda is they have a fuel pump, so with a connector cap, you can plug in an outboard motor tank and run 24/7 if needed.. Just stop for oil changes. Yamaha and others do not have this feature.

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Tow Vehicle: 2013 Pathfinder 4WD R-POD Model 171


Posted By: Outbound
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2014 at 6:44pm
Lots of great thoughts on this thread.  One caution about generators: they're a lot noisier than you might think.  Particularly when you're encamped in the woods and there's nothing but a bubbling brook and a few birds making background noise; even the quietest Honda generator will seem noisy from 400'.

From a good camping neighbour point-of-view, you're pretty much limited to the very quiet (and rather expensive) Hondas or Yamahas.  Forget any idea you may have of purchasing a contractor-grade generator from Costco for $499 - your neighbours will lynch you.

Recommended models for running your air conditioner with ease:
- http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/honda-eu3000i-handi-portable-generator-carb-compliant/48710 - Honda EU3000i or http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/honda-eu3000is-generator-carb-compliant/34963 - Honda EU3000is
- http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/powerproducts/products/modelhome/475/0/home.aspx - Yamaha 2400iSHC

A bit noiser and a little bit less reliable (but a lot cheaper):
- http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/powerhouse-ph3100ri-portable-inverter-generator/67060 - Powerhouse PH3100Ri

It is also possible to swap-out the start capacitor on your air conditioner and run with a smaller generator (running at max load or near max load, which means considerably louder).  This generally works, although the start load increases on hot days and you may find a 2000 watt generator tripping its breaker as the air conditioner cycles.


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Craig :: 2009 RP171 towed by a 2017 F150


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2014 at 7:25pm
Good stuff Outbound. I have a new Yamaha 2400iSCH. Your comments on noise are well advised. Even the quietest generators are louder than you think. Any sailor in a quiet anchorage will tell you how [embarrassingly] sound travels!

OK, so how and when do I secure this thing? I would probably only run it when I'm in or around the Pod, so that's not a big deal unless the perp is much bigger than me. But how about when I'm not using it? Just throw it in the back of the TV? That seems to make the most sense. Chain it up? Too what? Chain my guard cat (8 lbs. but tough as nails!) to it?

So who has actually, really, not second hand story had their genny stollen and what were the circumstances?

Thanks!

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2014 at 8:36pm
I secure my Yamaha 2400iSCH with a pretty heavy 10 foot cable made from MasterLock I think.  It's made for going through your trailer hitch/receiver pin hole and then through the triangle of you trailer tongue to keep people from stealing your boat, I suppose, while you're in the gas station men's room.  Anyway, it works great going through the frame of the generator and either through the trailer tongue or sometimes just one of the stabilizers depending on how I'm parked.  It would take me about 60 seconds to steal my own generator locked up like this but so far I haven't had any problems.  Knock on wood.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2014 at 9:12pm
I researched the best way to secure the EF2400 and the frame extends to the handles.  So (as I saw others do) I drilled a hole through that metal just below the handles - one on each side.  Very heavy chain runs around whatever, padlock runs through the holes and both ends of the chain.  I would not run a chain around the handles since they can be easily removed.
 
Edit: you can see this in one of the pictures here, along with a pic of the chains running to the truck.  http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3689&PID=35302&title=my-generator-mount - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3689&PID=35302&title=my-generator-mount


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Outbound
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2014 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by fwunder

Chain it up? Too what?

I use a masterlock cable and usually loop it through my genny's frame and up an over the crossmember at the rear of the trailer frame.  On occasion, I've looped the cable through the "A" at the trailer tongue or around a large tree.

To be honest, I've never been too concerned about theft while in a campground.  I do try to store the generator out of site to passerby's and always secure it to something, tho.  But, I'm not worried that someone will break out an axe and chop down the tree I've chained my genny to.


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Craig :: 2009 RP171 towed by a 2017 F150


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2014 at 9:01am
Originally posted by Outbound

 ... But, I'm not worried that someone will break out an axe and chop down the tree I've chained my genny to.
 
I've read of this exact thing happening on another forum.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2014 at 2:08pm
I know I've been lucky and shouldn't count on my luck to always be there, but where the heck do you guys camp?  I'm sure crime happens everywhere but it must be lower in national parks without hookups.  I'd have a different attitude about what size cable to use on my generator if I camped at some of the zoos around Disney or Dollywood, etc, I suppose.  I go out of the way to avoid the kinds of "campgrounds" where you have to worry about hitting someone else's trailer when you let your slide out.
 
There's always someone who's camped more than the other guy, but I've camped a good bit.   I don't think I've ever even heard of thieves where I camp.  Not that I leave my stuff just lying around either....
 
TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: Outbound
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2014 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by techntrek

 ... But, I'm not worried that someone will break out an axe and chop down the tree I've chained my genny to.
 I've read of this exact thing happening on another forum.

Yikes.  Not good at all.

Oh well, I guess that's why I carry insurance.


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Craig :: 2009 RP171 towed by a 2017 F150


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2014 at 5:39pm
Awhh man, I just bought a 15' stainless braided loop w/mean looking lock. Guess I'll just have to find a big tree! Fire hydrant would work if I could find one. Wink

Ya know, I did a whole bunch of online reading yesterday and today 'bout this. What I came away with was that theft is pretty rare in most camping areas. Mostly kids stealing coolers full of beers or joy riding unlocked bikes. Not that I intend to tempt anyone by leaving nice stuff around but I'm not convinced the difference between 3/8" braided steel or 3/4" case hardened chain will really matter. Somebody's got a 18v. cutting wheel and they're gonna get it.

More of the crime I read about was domestic in nature. Something about husband and wife and backing trailers and hand signals, walkie talkies, and screaming that didn't end well.

Bottom line, I'm guessing there is more of a bio-hazard worry in campgrounds than there is theft.

fred



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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2014 at 6:16pm
Here you go:  http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/26547617/print/true.cfm - http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/26547617/print/true.cfm

Look at the 4th post down @ 11/25/12 07:21am


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2014 at 6:40pm
I had my lawn chairs stolen in Blue Springs State Park in FL about 15 years ago.  A coworker had a cooler disappear in Myrtle Beach. 
All in all crime in most campgrounds is low compared to out in regular society.  I have noticed in my 50+ years of camping though that people are getting less concerned about bothering their fellow campers with noise etc, so I imagine more are also willing to steal.

BTW I pick up my 179 tomorrow, I hope my 2kW Kipor invertor generator will run the AC, I have no idea why FR felt a unit as small as an r-pod needed a 13,500 BTU AC, seems a 9,000 would probably do the job or certainly the 11,000.


ADDED INFO-   got my 179 home today and just my luck the Kipor 2kW will NOT start the AC....now I need to decide what to do, try a hard start kit maybe?  
Might be looking for one of those 2400 Yamaha's.....
I have an EU3000 but that thing is too big and heavy to carry around....



Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 5:54am
Well, hooked up a hard start capacitor kit and no go.   I think the electronic overload protection in the Kipor cuts it off too quickly.
So-  my new Yamaha 2400 is expected to arrive on Monday.  Sure hope that does it as I do NOT want to carry my EU3000 Honda around as it is too heavy for me to pick up.
Unlike techntrek I cannot carry an EU3000 it on the front of my tow vehicle as it already has an aftermarket bumper and winch installed.  SO it would have to go in the TV or the pod for transport...and at 150 lbs that won't work, I might get it out for use but wouldn't be able to get it back in for the trip homeEmbarrassed




Posted By: hogone
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 6:19am
i'm pretty sure i read this ?/answer somewhere.  what is the safest/proper way to hook the pod to a generator?  start the generator then plug in?  plug in then start the gen?  just want to make sure.  hogone

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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177
2010 F150
2017 HD Streetglide
2009 HD Lowrider
CHEESEHEAD


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 8:08am
Originally posted by hogone

i'm pretty sure i read this ?/answer somewhere.  what is the safest/proper way to hook the pod to a generator?  start the generator then plug in?  plug in then start the gen?  just want to make sure.  hogone


Just my random thoughts, but I would make sure the load switch on the generator is OFF. Then it doesn't make much difference whether you plug in first or wait until the gen is running. The important thing is don't try to start the gen with the load connected. 


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: Outbound
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 8:22am
Originally posted by hogone

i'm pretty sure i read this ?/answer somewhere.  what is the safest/proper way to hook the pod to a generator?  start the generator then plug in?  plug in then start the gen?  just want to make sure.  hogone

Always start the generator, let it warm up for a minute or two to a nice, comfortable idle and then plug in your trailer.  When it comes time to shut down, turn off the air conditioner and unplug (or turn off) any appliances that are actively using a significant amount of power, and then unplug the trailer from the generator.  Give the generator a minute or two to settle/idle and then you can hit the generator's off/kill switch.

The idea is to never do anything abrupt.  Let the generator warm up and idle down.  Equally, don't expose your electrical equipment to unnecessary surges/brownouts.  For example: make sure that the air conditioner is turned off when you plug-in the r-pod, and make sure that its turned off before you unplug the r-pod.  Small power drains, like the microwave or television being plugged-in but turned-off, are fine.  I do suggest unplugging laptops or expensive electronics while connecting/disconnecting your trailer from any power supply.


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Craig :: 2009 RP171 towed by a 2017 F150


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by Budward

...BTW I pick up my 179 tomorrow, I hope my 2kW Kipor invertor generator will run the AC, I have no idea why FR felt a unit as small as an r-pod needed a 13,500 BTU AC, seems a 9,000 would probably do the job or certainly the 11,000....


I have a long-time thread around here discussing smaller options.  The best solution I had found to-date was the Coleman Polar Cub, but recently read about the Coleman Mach 8 which is 2 inches shorter.  Both are 9200 btus, which I feel is exactly where it should be for the pods.  The big A/Cs are oversized for the pod's area so they don't dehumidify like they should (since they don't run long enough).  The Mach 8 should solve both problems - dehumidification and the ability to run from a smaller genset.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 5:42pm
I agree 13.5 AC is too big and second your statement that short cycling doesn't dehumidify well. 
A 13.5 cools my toy hauler with probably triple the volume just fine even in SC heat and humidity, not uncommon for both to be at 100 in the summer.  That RV has a built in Onan 4.0 genset.
I've longed for someone to build a slimline generator that would fit mostly under the floor or even on the roof if quiet enough....if packaged properly it would be no larger than the AC.
In a perfect world we'd have a quiet genset that was no louder than the AC so no one would even know it was running!  That might get around those pesky restrictions in most dry campgrounds...



Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 10:08pm
This is the thread I mentioned above:   http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1433 - www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1433

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual



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