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Topic: Frame replacement?
Posted By: StephenH
Subject: Frame replacement?
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 10:30am
On our last trip out west, we bent the frame when we went onto a pull-off that was extremely rutted when the ruts were not visible as we approached. We got home and we did have the frame straightened and welded. However, I don't feel comfortable with the frame since the welder could not get to both sides to weld plates on and of course, did not lift the body off to weld the top. Is it possible to lift the body off and replace the frame?  Has anyone heard of that being done? I would assume that it would be an expensive proposition, perhaps more than the value of the trailer to have done. Along with the bent frame comes a sagging floor in spite of having outriggers as they failed (metal tore along fold line). I raised it up and added more outriggers but it is still sagging and there is a noticeable difference inside where it bends down toward the wall. I am assuming this would mean the floor would need to be replaced also. 

Opinions: Would repairs cost more than the trailer is worth? I can't say it is warranty, since it did happen when we hit really rough terrain. I have not idea of what it would cost to have these repairs done. If It did go to the factory, it would be the second trip for repairs.

We went to an RV show yesterday and saw some really nice new trailers. Unfortunately, no RPods were there, but there were some NoBo models as well as other Forest River products. There were some pretty nice other than FR products there too. However, current pricing is rather steep. There was one model I liked but my wife didn't. Likewise, there was one I liked that she didn't.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



Replies:
Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 11:55am
Oh no! marital strife! Maybe if you each know what you like and dislike about each of those models, something can be worked out?

So you Rpod is 7 years old, and it sounds like there are some serious structural issues. I don't know, but surely part of the evaluation is that you may only have 3-5 more years of useful life to it? If it's at all possible, you should see if you can get some estimates for the repair and then run a comparison between a (for example) 5 more years in the Rpod, versus 10-12 more years in something newer?


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 12:41pm
At this point, I am leaning toward newer and then with full disclosure, selling our 179.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 3:17pm
StephenH, since the whole structure of the trailer is mounted to the chassis, I can't imagine that being a repair that would not exceed the fair market value of your trailer.  If I am not mistaken, which I usually am, your trailer is a 2015, 179, which, according to J.D. Power has an average retail price of around $8K, assuming there are no structural issues.  Between the parts and labor, I think you'll find the cost of replacing the frame well in excess of that.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 5:46pm
Have to agree with LA. Get what you can for it and start looking at new or newer-used. There is no reason why it would't make a nice weekend camper or possible a simple basecamp for a hunter. Someone may also decide it would be perfect for additional living space like a "she-shed". 

Life's too short. Get something you and your wife would enjoy and fits your budget and TV.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 8:01pm
Agreed. We decided to do so. We went back to the RV show in Raleigh. There were no RPods there and the NoBo models were not ones we liked. We saw another Forest River Product and liked it, so we are going to make a lateral move to a Grey Wolf 24JS.

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/grey-wolf/24JS/7036 - https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/grey-wolf/24JS/7036

It is a 2023 model, and comes with a lot of features. It is heavier, but also has dual axles. As long as we don't load it down, we should still be okay to tow with the Frontier, but we will seriously begin looking for a half-ton pickup.

I won't miss the E/W bed. This one has ducted heat and AC, so it will hopefully be quieter. It includes the Base Camp package and from what I am reading, includes the Limited and Campfire packages too. It has a tankless water heater. It has a real oven and a 3 burner stove. It has just a microwave, not a convection microwave.

One thing it lacks and I am glad it does is a window on the front. I really did not want one. It has a real oven and a 3 burner stove. It has just a microwave, not a convection microwave.

It is still a Forest River product, so we will still be FROG members. I plan on sticking around the forum. I hope to still see many of you in person again.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 8:21pm
Pretty nice looking rig StevenH.  Yessir, you will probably NEED to upgrade to a half ton pickup.  I see it weighs over 2000 lbs. more than my 177, that is significant.  Hope you enjoy your new toy and btw am glad you will still be 'hanging out' with us smaller and lighter podders on this forum.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 9:27pm
I could not be happier for you StephenH. That is a real nice rig, excellent choice. You will really appreciate the tandem axels which are probably around 3500lb capacity each, and the peace of mind knowing you have an over-built under carriage. Make sure you follow all guidance of torquing the wheel lug nuts at the recommended intervals. This is apparently a thing with tandems. Having a bed you exit from the side is life changing! Congratulations. 

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 5:40am
Wow! That is a really nice trailer StephenH.  Congratulations on your decision to replace your current trailer.  You will find the bed orientation and the easier access a great deal more comfortable.  Also, the larger refrigerator and stove will also be a big plus.  I agree with jato a larger truck is really needed to tow the much heavier trailer.  We found that out when we got our Sonoma.  Though it wasn't really that much heavier than ourPod, it was enough of an increase that our Dakota was on the edge of its capacity.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 7:01am
My wife and I were discussing that. I think the Frontier will be good for local trips, but for the Rockies, we will definitely want a TV with more capacity. Even the Blue Ridge Parkway will probably be better with a higher capacity TV.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 8:37am
If you decide to go with a new TV, I can't say enough good things about the Ford F150 with either of the EcoBoost motors. Roughly the same mpg as my previous Frontier 4.0 engine. The Powerboost configuration seems to be gaining popularity as well.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 9:01am
+1 to gpokluda's comment about the F-150 ecoboost, though given the weight of the proposed new trailer, I'd sure opt for the 3.5L engine instead of the 2.7L.  The difference in towing capacity will give you a comfortable margin of weight range.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 9:08am
Hello Stephen,
congratulations on your new trailer. I hope you and your wife will love it as much as your 179.  I know you spent a lot of time, money and effort to make the  mods that personalized your 179.  You gave us a lot of inspiration and ideas.
Please stay in touch with the RPod crowd here-your knowledge and insight has been very valuable through the years.
Best of luck
travel safe and often
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
https://postimg.cc/0zwKrfB9">


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 10:55am
+1 (or 2) on the F150 with either of the EcoBoost engines. We love ours, even when not towing it is our goto for road trips. It is just so quiet and comfortable.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 1:42pm
Given that I have not found a Grey Wolf forum except on Facebook, which I mostly avoid, I will likely be here. This is a community that I enjoy.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: hogone
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 1:49pm
glue guy.....whats the tow capicity on that machine........ford rocks!!!   jon

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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177
2010 F150
2017 HD Streetglide
2009 HD Lowrider
CHEESEHEAD


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 2:38pm
Yes! StephenH, there is no reason to leave this board.  You are a very important contributor and the board would not be the same without you.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 3:12pm
2023 Ford towing capacities:

Ford Ranger:  7500 lbs tow capacity
Ford F-150:  Up to 14,000 lbs with the 3.5.L Ecoboost, depending on configuration
Up to 12,300 for the F150 Powerboost and up to 10,000 with the F150 Lightning.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/2023_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide_r1_Dec1.pdf - https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/2023_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide_r1_Dec1.pdf


The F250 SuperDuty (Diesel) can tow when properly equipped a gooseneck or 5th wheel trailer up to 22,300 lbs!


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 4:35pm
We have the 3.5 Ecoboost with the Max Tow package so our TC is 14,000lbs. Like GlueGuy said, it is very comfortable. The MTP includes a 36gallon fuel tank. It's nice to be able to get gas when you want to and not when you have to.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: hogone
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 5:40am
i prob could look it all up, but since you actually have it gpokluda; exactly what does the "max tow package" include/mean?  im going to be in the market over the next year or so.  jon

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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177
2010 F150
2017 HD Streetglide
2009 HD Lowrider
CHEESEHEAD


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 10:47am
The MTTP is a bit of a unicorn. It can be built, but mandates restrictions on several things. That said, you can get pretty close with an "ordinary" F150. Here is what Ford posts on their web site about the max tow package:



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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 11:30am
I don't see any mention of solar panels, or even solar prepped. With a DC fridge, that has to be a concern I would think. My surveyor came with 80 watts of solar, But i'm adding another 100 watts, and a second battery  as soon as it's nice enough outside. Going from the pod to this model is going to be game changing. So much more storage, the fridge is huge, the north and south bed, the moride stairs, and I see you have the rear cargo rack. My rear rack is rated at 200 pounds of cargo, pretty useful, but I wish it could do 300. Good luck with your new camper. 




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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by gpokluda

We have the 3.5 Ecoboost with the Max Tow package so our TC is 14,000lbs. Like GlueGuy said, it is very comfortable. The MTP includes a 36gallon fuel tank. It's nice to be able to get gas when you want to and not when you have to.


I do miss the 36 gallon fuel tank.  On my '94 F-150 with 322,000 miles and a 2011 F-150 - both had 36 gallon fuel tanks.  On the 2017 F-150 with the 3.5 EB, it has a skimpy 23 gallon tank.  Kind of a bummer, it was nice to be able to travel a much longer distance with the larger fuel tank.  Does anyone have an idea if it is possible to change the 23 gal. to the larger 36 gallon tank?


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by hogone

i prob could look it all up, but since you actually have it gpokluda; exactly what does the "max tow package" include/mean?  im going to be in the market over the next year or so.  jon

GlueGuy pretty much covered it. It does have something called a Trailer Backup Assist which I have yet to use, but the built in brake controller is really nice. 


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 10:58pm
Our 200AH LiFePO4 battery is going to get transferred over to the Grey Wolf along with the DC to DC charger. As far as solar prep or solar, I don't remember. We looked at so many. It would not be a deal breaker. I have the Renogy Solar Suitcase and a generator.

https://forestriverinc.com/brochures/2023/2023cherokeetrainingmanual.pdf - https://forestriverinc.com/brochures/2023/2023cherokeetrainingmanual.pdf

This seems to indicate that solar prep at least is present. I think the I-beam frame with outriggers will perform well. If the cargo capacity listed is any indication, it is a much sturdier build than the RPod's box frame.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 6:45pm
We don't have the max tow, but we did get the 36 gallon tank and the heavy duty frame. It was nice when we went up to my sister-in-law's place a couple months ago. 279 miles each way, and we never stopped for gas.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 7:18pm
Oddly enough, the max tow package for the F150 does not come with tow mirrors! I ended up getting some aftermarket ones that look just like the Ford OEM ones. Love 'em.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 5:35am
Our towing package came with the back up assist and integrated brake controller.  The break controller is nice because it's built into the dash and doesn't get in the way of things like the add-on's can do.  The back up assist is not as useful as I had thought it'd be.  As long as the camera has a good view with adequate light of the little checker board pattern that you mount on the tongue rail, it works nicely once you get the hang of it.  But it stops working the second the checker board pattern is obscured or is in low light.  I find it easier to just not use it. 

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: hogone
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 6:15am
one more question?  what axle is better/heavier duty I guess.  jon

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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177
2010 F150
2017 HD Streetglide
2009 HD Lowrider
CHEESEHEAD


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 6:57am
The higher the ratio, the more power can be transferred. Lower ratios are better for mileage. See the chart above. The Heavy Duty Payload package gets a 3.73:1  axle. Otherwise, it is a 3.55:1 axle.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 9:06pm
Okay, the transaction is done. We bid farewell to our EscaPOD with a bit of sadness. We have had many fun (and a few not so fun) adventures with it. We have many great memories. However, the time came for a change. A lot of my mods remained with the RPod, but things related to the LiFePO4 battery were removed as were my HAM radio mods. The dealer, A&L RV Sales in Chocowinity, NC was very helpful. I think the fact that they wanted to close out sales from the RV show in Raleigh before the end of February helped.

We brought home the Grey Wolf today. It tows nicely with the Frontier, but we will be looking for a half-ton pickup in the near future. I can now say for sure that it is not just equipped for solar, but it does have a 50w panel on the roof and a PWM charge controller. That is likely to be upgraded to an MPPT controller when I install the LiFePO4 battery. The big question is where to mount it.

It does also have the on-demand (tankless) water heater. The ducted AC is quiet. We can carry on a conversation with it running. and don't even have to raise our voices. It has a battery cut-off switch. It is not next to the battery, but is inside next to the power center. I think I like that as it will be out of the weather. The down side is that it is one of those with the big key that sticks out and is likely to be a place to catch one unawares. I may switch it out to the flatter one I was using in the RPod (see my mods). 

One thing I found surprising is that with the on demand water heater, it does not have the shower saver. I may be investigating that as a modification. I won't need to make too many mods as many of the things I did with the RPod already are present with the Grey Wolf. Of course, it is early and I may wind up doing more than I think that I will at this point.

With this, I will wind this topic down and go back to other areas to post. Thanks everyone for your friendly advice.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 5:50am
Congratulations on your new trailer!  I'll bet over the years, you'll find plenty of mod projects that'll be fun to do.  Best of luck on your TV search.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 7:29am
Thanks. A friend said that soon, used vehicle prices should start coming down, but he said about 5 months due to what he said would be a glut of used vehicles. I wonder if we can hold off that long.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 7:48am
Congrats, StephenH. Can't wait to hear about your new travels in the Grey Wolf and your quest for a TV. 

Take care.



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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 12:59pm
Used vehicle prices have started coming down. Maybe not as fast as anyone wants, but they are coming down.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: hogone
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 1:12pm
whats the prediction for new trucks!!??  jon

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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177
2010 F150
2017 HD Streetglide
2009 HD Lowrider
CHEESEHEAD


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 10:19pm
Beats me! My friend did not say anything about new trucks.



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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 10:43pm
We are getting a 2018 Ford F150 XLT with the 3.5L Ecoboost engine. It is 4WD and has the max tow package. With this configuration, it should be a 12,000 lb tow rating. I think it will tow the Grey Wolf with no problem.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 5:54am
Congratulations on the new TV.  Hope you enjoy it.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 8:26am
Originally posted by StephenH

We are getting a 2018 Ford F150 XLT with the 3.5L Ecoboost engine. It is 4WD and has the max tow package. With this configuration, it should be a 12,000 lb tow rating. I think it will tow the Grey Wolf with no problem.

Excellent choice! Many happy travels with your new rig.

Be safe




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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 10:38am
+1

i think you will really like that truck.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by StephenH

We are getting a 2018 Ford F150 XLT with the 3.5L Ecoboost engine. It is 4WD and has the max tow package. With this configuration, it should be a 12,000 lb tow rating. I think it will tow the Grey Wolf with no problem.


Great choice!  We enjoy ours, seats are great and lots of storage compared to our Explorers that were used for the first 8 years towing a 177.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: mackjames
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 4:17am
Did a little run today from College and the 95 through the mountain to the dry lakebed as you’re going to Laughlin. Pretty cool little trail.



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