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Topic: How long does an average 20 LP tank last?
Posted By: Shane
Subject: How long does an average 20 LP tank last?
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:01pm
We are leaving for a trip to Starved Rock in Oct. It will get a bit chilly, I am going to run my furnace for the first time if needed at night. I will be on electric and water and the site. If I use my electric for water heater, and rarely use the stove. So how long does an average 20 LP tank last?

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ENGINE 55,TRUCK 44,BATALLION 12



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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:23pm
There's no good answer to that.  A few nights... a few months.  Somewhere in between usually.  If you have shore power, use a $20 electric heater from some place like Walmart though.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:36pm
We have run one tank for well over a month. However, we don't use a lot of hot water, and we typically only need the furnace for 30-40 minutes per day. As TT suggests, YMMV.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:51pm
If you are using the furnace in sub-freezing temperatures and running the refrigerator and running the stove and water heater (as needed), you may only get a couple of days out of a tank. If you are just running the refrigerator and occasionally the stove, a tank will last months. Reality is that your use does determine how long a tank will last.

Easy way to determine fuel level if your tank does not have a gauge is to heat some water and pour it over the tank. Wait a second or two and feel the tank, starting at the top. It will be warm at the top. When you get to where the liquid level is, it will be cold. You may actually be able to see the liquid level line. Or, you could purchase a stick on gauge so you don't have to feel it although you will still need to use hot water to activate the change to see the level. You could also purchase a gauge that either weighs the tank or reads through the tank wall to determine the level. It depends on how much you would want to spend. The hot water and feel the tank method is pretty cheap.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Shane
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 9:51am
thank you!

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ENGINE 55,TRUCK 44,BATALLION 12


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 8:08pm
Another option my be to have a second 20# filled tank for a spare.  We normally camp in the shoulder months April-May and September-November when the temps are often cool and the furnace gets a real workout since we normally boondock, no electric available - as in our national parks.  Last year while in RMNP the night temps often were in the 40's, propane was also used for  HW and fridge. 
The tank was nearly full when we started the trip but on the way home, the tank had to be exchanged, so in that case we got 8 days out of the tank, but that was with pretty heavy usage.  None used during the day, turned furnace off while hiking.  Also, always try to fill at a hardware store or similar where they will FILL your tank.  Avoid going to gas stations where they offer Blue Rhino or similar where you pay a whole lot more to get a tank that is only 75% full.  Two days ago I filled my empty 20# tank that was empty for $ 14.50 at the neighborhood hardware store.


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'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 10:53pm
+1 on the alternate places that fill your tank by the gallon and not a flat-rate. Most Camping World locations do so and you get a discount if you are a Good Sam member. Some Costco stores also fill propane tanks if you are a member. I am not a member, but I think BJ's is the same. We also have a spare propane tank so we are not at risk of running out. I try to keep close tabs and exchange when it is very low but before it runs out. The nearly empty tank can still supply propane to our Coleman grill-stove or lantern if needed.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 11:24pm
Ah, I would refrain from a ‘tank exchange’ because from what I know of them they are for BBQs, and BBQ tanks are thin walled and not heavy gauge like an RV tank. A BBQ tank is not safe to use in place of an RV tank because it is not strong enough to ward off a direct hit from a rock.

You can get an in-line LP gauge for about $25 that goes between the tank and the regulator. That will show you how much gas you have left.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 3:56am
OldNeumanntapr, who told you that? BBQ tanks and the tanks you buy from an RV dealer are the same, ie,, meet the same specifications. The only difference is the RV dealer's markup.... 

I actually haven't had my tanks filled for years, I only swap.

Having the option to just swap tanks is a big benefit. If you're on the road, don't know the area and/or don't want to spend the time finding a place and waiting for them to refill your existing tank while your family is waiting for you in the car, you can be off to your camp in a few minutes. 

Or you may find that, as I have here on the OBX, the places that refill tanks charge the same as a swap. Why?, because they can...

So, if you have a local place you can refill inexpensively, great. But if not, like me, how to save $? I've found the best is to pull into a Walmart and get your tank swapped there while picking up any other needed supplies. Cost me $15 last time. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 7:41am
The admonition against swapping tanks seems too harsh to me.  Yes, it's probably a little more expensive than going someplace that will fill them, although the price difference isn't always that great.  Do whatever works for you and suits your convenience.  Just don't eat at restaurants when you're on the road.  Why would you?!  They charge way more than it would cost you to fix a meal in the Pod and you can eat as much as you want when you fix the food!

Yeah, and I never heard of a difference between BBQ tanks and RV tanks either.  I've never seen a label indicating a tank was one or the other.  This is new to me.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 8:08am
Perhaps the confusion stems from this:

"Motorhomes, though, have installed ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) tanks, not DOT tanks.  ASME tanks are not required to be re-certified since they are permanently installed. But DOT/TC cylinders, both vertical and horizontal, because they can be removed, transported and filled independently, do qualify for periodic re-certification. Allpropane containers, tanks and cylinders, however, should be periodically inspected, cleaned and tested for leaks. All of which should be considered preventive maintenance common sense."

So, if you have a class A motorhome with a permanently installed propane tank, that is qualified under ASME standards. But our 20lb cylinders are qualified under DOT regs, and BBQ ones are the same, because they all wind up getting removed from their mountings and transported on the roads one way or the other. 

The recertification period is perhaps another reason to exchange tanks once in awhile. If you buy a new cylinder and hang onto it for 10 years you'll have to get it recertified, but if you exchange that should end up being Blue Rhino's (or another supplier's) problem. If I were to hang onto a cylinder here in the OBX for 10 years it would be a pile of uncertifiable rust...




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: riotkayak284
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 8:20am
This just not true. All 20Lb LP tanks have to meet the same criteria for safety.


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 11:03am
Originally posted by offgrid

OldNeumanntapr, who told you that? BBQ tanks and the tanks you buy from an RV dealer are the same, ie,, meet the same specifications. The only difference is the RV dealer's markup.... 
I actually haven't had my tanks filled for years, I only swap.
Having the option to just swap tanks is a big benefit. If you're on the road, don't know the area and/or don't want to spend the time finding a place and waiting for them to refill your existing tank while your family is waiting for you in the car, you can be off to your camp in a few minutes. 
Or you may find that, as I have here on the OBX, the places that refill tanks charge the same as a swap. Why?, because they can...
So, if you have a local place you can refill inexpensively, great. But if not, like me, how to save $? I've found the best is to pull into a Walmart and get your tank swapped there while picking up any other needed supplies. Cost me $15 last time. 


Sorry, but I disagree. I would never put a BBQ tank on an RV.


Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 11:21am
What information do you find on the tank indicating RV or BBQ tanks?  Where do you find this data?  I examined the tank on my trailer and the one on my BBQ and find no difference.

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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 12:05pm
I had an Alaskan camper for years that had a externally-mounted five gallon LP tank. I had custom brackets made to install the tank on the truck frame. The tank looked just like a regular five gallon propane tank but was a LOT heavier!

A family friend owned a local RV repair shop and he told me that there was a difference between RV and BBQ tanks and you should never use a BBQ tank for external use on an RV.

Do what you want but I won’t ever substitute them.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 12:24pm
Ok, great, if you're right then I'm with you.  No one should want an inferior tank, including me.  So, in all seriousness, where would I buy one of these RV tanks? How would I know that I wasn't getting a BBQ one? 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

I had an Alaskan camper for years that had a externally-mounted five gallon LP tank. I had custom brackets made to install the tank on the truck frame. The tank looked just like a regular five gallon propane tank but was a LOT heavier!

A family friend owned a local RV repair shop and he told me that there was a difference between RV and BBQ tanks and you should never use a BBQ tank for external use on an RV.

Do what you want but I won’t ever substitute them.


The only RV propane tanks I could find on the interweb are configured for permanent installation on an RV.  20 and 30 pound tanks are listed for RV or BBQ use.  Please show me the difference and where to get the RV tank.  If there is a difference I want the proper one.


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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 1:06pm
Exchange tanks may make maintenance somebody else's problem, but I have gotten some rather poor quality tanks in exchanges, including one which was leaking around the threads where the valve screws into the tank body. The two tanks I own that are used with my R-Pod both have gauges (not precise, but a general gauge of level) so if I were to exchange them, I would not get equivalent tanks in return. Plus, I know the age and condition of my tanks. When it comes time to recertify or replace them, I will likely replace them if I even still have the same setup at that time.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 1:38pm
I get the tanks re-filled at one of a few gas stations around here that offer the service.Works great; you pay just for the propane, and you get a full tank.

However, all 20 lb propane tanks that I've ever seen have an expiration date. When that date comes rolling around, I will swap it for a new tank. To date, I've either gotten Blue Rhino or Suburban, and ALL of the exchange tanks I've gotten were in like new condition without exception. Occasionally they are not completely full, but they've all been in excellent condition.

The exchange places are different from the fill places around here. Exchange places that we have are hardware stores and grocery stores.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 2:13pm
I have a special case I think, the corrosive environment here makes it better for me to exchange tanks frequently than to keep tanks for long periods. One less thing to try to keep from rusting. I don't own my household propane tank either, its been here 3 years this fall and its starting to look pretty bad.

But, if there really is a different spec'd tank I could get that was more robust for RV use I would certainly reconsider. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 9:30pm
You can just have the tank re-certified when the expiration date comes up and you do not need to get rid of the tank.
It’s not a big deal. They pressure test it and visually check it before recertifing the tank.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 9:49pm
The problem around here is finding a place that can and will do the hydrostatic pressure testing. There appear to be none near me. The only online link was for a place in California. Visual recertification is good for 5 years, but I can't even get a good read on where that can be done near me.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 4:20am
StephenH, maybe try this link for a testing station?

https://portal.phmsa.dot.gov/rinlocator




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 9:54am
Thanks. That link is very helpful. I did find visual, ultrasonic, and hydrostatic testing sites within 50 miles of me.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 9:41am
Ok, just to try to put to bed the question on propane cylinders for RV vs BBQ use. I had put a call into FR last week to ask a couple of other questions about axles and side wall construction. I got a call back today so I asked about propane cylinders too. The tech sales guy I talked to confirmed that the propane cylinder shipped with the rPod is a standard DOT propane cylinder, nothing different about it from the exchange cylinders you get at your local hardware store or gas station.  

If anyone is interested, the standard for RV safety construction is NFPA 1192. You can view it online for free on the NFPA website if you register. This standard has all the requirements for types, mounting, clearances, ventilation, access, regulators, plumbing, etc for propane cylinders on RV's. I'd recommend that anyone considering changing from the standard tongue mount (or mounting heat producing things like generators near the propane cylinders) read this first. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 4:07pm
I have owned motor homes with RV tanks not the same as the propane tank on a Pod, or any standard propane tank (replaceable) mounted on a camper. My propane tanks on my Class C were refillable not replaceable. They are in fact heavier for obvious reasons. Kind of a silly drift to this post, is there anybody that doesn't know your tanks on your Pod are replaceable. It is a standard propane tank, like you swap at the Quickie Stop.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 6:51pm
Kind of gratuitous at this point, but in decades of dealing with propane tanks, mostly, but far from exclusively, 20 lb tanks, I have have never heard of 20 lb RV tanks versus 20 lb BBQ tanks.  Buying tanks, exchanging them, refilling them, no one has ever said, "Oh, you have a BBQ tank." or, "Do you want to swap for an RV tank?"  This thread is the first I've ever heard of this.  (So I don't think there are two different things.  Other than the permanent tanks on board some motor homes.)

I've never had to, or cared to, deal with re-certifying a 20 lb tank, but I've heard that if/when you go through the process the re-certification is only good for 5 years after which it can't be re-re-certified.  Don't know if that's true.  Not sure anyone would want a 17 year old tank anyway.  In most cases, long before it gets to that point, the highest value of the old tank would be to use it as a swap-out for a newer tank.  My opinion, of course.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 7:00pm
+1 to TT

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 7:34pm
Looks like the DOT requirements were revised last year and first re-certification must now be done at 10 years not 12. Recert by visual inspection is every 5 years thereafter, for as long as the cylinder passes. If you do volumetric expansion or proof pressure testing its every 10 years thereafter. Personally, I'm just going to keep swapping 'em at Wally World.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

Ah, I would refrain from a ‘tank exchange’ because from what I know of them they are for BBQs, and BBQ tanks are thin walled and not heavy gauge like an RV tank. A BBQ tank is not safe to use in place of an RV tank because it is not strong enough to ward off a direct hit from a rock.

You can get an in-line LP gauge for about $25 that goes between the tank and the regulator. That will show you how much gas you have left.
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This post caused the "drift" so apparently not everyone knew the facts on this like you Mcarter.


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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150



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