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    Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 1:50pm
Not sure how many folks here tow with the 2011+ Ford Explorers, but one of the things that has always bugged me about towing with this car is the inability to monitor trans temp from the factory.  This became particularly apparent when we were a couple miles up the beach in the Outer Banks when the trans overheated and we got stuck in the sand.

Turns out, the problem was a faulty fan relay that we had a recall notice for..sitting in our mailbox while we were on vacation.  Ever since then, I've wanted to monitor that temp when offroading/towing, but didn't want to deal with a permanently mounted gauge in the cockpit.

This Christmas, my wife got me a bluetooth OBDII adapter to play with, and I downloaded Torque.  Unfortunately, Torque didn't come with the pids necessary to monitor the trans temp on the explorer, and I wasn't able to locate any information about the pid/formula online anywhere.

That is..until yesterday.  We have a planned trip to OBX this summer (as usual) and now that our 2011 X is getting up in miles (91k at last check) I REALLY wanted to keep an eye on that trans temp while driving on the beach.  Especially because our house this year is 8 miles up the sand, and over the dunes.  Anyway, thanks to the guys over on the Ecoboost forums, the mystery has been solved. So without further ado, for those of you with 2011+ Ford Explorers, who want to monitor your transmission temps while towing, here is what you have to enter into Torque to create your own PID that works:

Adding a single PID:
Add a custom PID in Torque by going to the "Settings" section off the main screen.
Enter the following for the fields it prompts you for:
"OBD2 Mode and PID"  =  221E1C
"Long Name" = Trans Temp
"Short Name" = Trans T
"Minimum Value" = -40
"Maximum Value" = 260
"Scale Factor" = 1
"Unit Type" = deg
"Equation" = (((signed(A)*256)+B)*(9/8)+320)/10
Leave the OBD Header blank

I checked it yesterday, and it works great.  I know this works on the Ecoboost Sport models, and the N/A 3.5L with the tow package (the Sport and the tow package trans is the same from what I understand).  However, I don't know if it works on the non-tow package equipped 3.5L and 4cyl ecoboost models.

Still, I ran across this info and thought I'd share.  I wish remembered who came up with it originally so I could credit them, but whomever you are, thank you.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 2:16pm
Good info.  If you can program in the codes for torque converter slip rpm, that's another useful piece of info that affects your tranny temp.  I'd also add in coolant temp (which may not be the same value as the dash gauge) and oil temp, if those are available.
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Good info.  If you can program in the codes for torque converter slip rpm, that's another useful piece of info that affects your tranny temp.  I'd also add in coolant temp (which may not be the same value as the dash gauge) and oil temp, if those are available.


Agreed, though I know that isn't among the list of things to choose from.  I'm not even sure if the main ECM even monitors that to be honest.  Worth looking into though.

The program can monitor all sorts of stuff..catalyst temp, EGR, MAF, O2 sensors, etc.  If the computer can see it, this app can see it, although in some cases (like this trans temp) you need to figure out what the pid is, and what the formula should be, so you can monitor it. 

I have a display setup for towing, that right now includes engine coolant temp, trans temp, vacuum, rpm, and a couple other parameters.  I haven't really played with the setup much because yesterday was the first time I got the parameter I cared most about (trans temp) to work.  Now I'll spend some time setting up the rest of the display to show what I want. 

It's a really cool little app, you can check your engine codes, and clear them, with it also.  The adapter is about 20 bucks, and the app itself wasn't to bad either. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 3:00pm
I have Torque for my phone as well. I have not gotten to play with it much since I got the adaptor. I have used to to get engine codes and I have the Milage module for it as well. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 4:31pm
Grrr Torque not for the iphone/ipad/ibook .... But I had not thought of a bluetooth adapter.  I was looking at some of the scangauges.  Need to take a closer look
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by rpodcamper.com

Grrr Torque not for the iphone/ipad/ibook .... But I had not thought of a bluetooth adapter.  I was looking at some of the scangauges.  Need to take a closer look


I am not a member of the iCult.. but because I didn't want my phone basically living in the car, I ebayed a fairly cheap android phone to run the paid version of torque on in our GTi... and got a bluetooth adapter from Sears, of all places.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 7:45pm
Fishtail, looks like you may be in luck.  Here is the list of the available parameters for the Interceptor gauge I have.  So you may be able to get the torque converter slip based on this info, once you find the right info for Torque:

1. INTAKE AIR- Intake Air Temperature
2. INTAKE AIR TEMP. 2 (intercooled applications)
3. COOLANT TEMP- Engine Coolant Temperature
4. TRANS TEMP 1- Transmission Temperature (gas powered automatics)
5. TRANS TEMP 2- Transmission Temperature. Can be used if Trans Temp 1 is not supported.
6. RPM- engine Revolutions Per Minute
7. MAF SENSOR LB/M- Mass Air Flow (lbs/min)
8. MAF COUNTS- Mass Air Flow sensor raw output in counts
9. FUEL LEVEL – 0-100 %
10. MANIFOLD PSI- Manifold Air Pressure (psi)
11. THROTTLE POS PCT- Throttle Position percentage (0-100%). Will typically read around
10-90%.
12. PEDAL POSITION – Similar to Throttle pos. but is rescaled to read the full 0-100 range.
13. MILES PER HOUR- Miles Per Hour
14. KNOCK RETARD- Knock Retard (degrees) 4.6L 4v non-SC’ed
15. IGNITION ADVANCE- ignition timing advance
16. SHORT TRIM B1-short term fuel trim bank#1
17. SHORT TRIM B2-short term fuel trim bank#2
18. LONG TRIM B1-long term fuel trim bank#1
19. LONG TRIM B2-long term fuel trim bank#2
20. OXYGEN SENSOR B1-O2 bank 1 sensor in millivolts
21. OXYGEN SENSOR B2-O2 bank 2 sensor in millivolts
22. BATTERY VOLTAGE- Alternator/battery output voltage
23. ENGINE LOAD-calculated Engine Load (0-100%)
24. FUEL PRESSURE
25. FUEL PUMP DUTY CYCLE
26. CYLINDER HEAD TEMPERATURE
27. OIL TEMPERATURE – not widely supported on Fords.
28. Calculated Engine Torque (Auto trans)
29. TRANS SLIP 1 - Transmission slip for most 2005/2006 vehicles
30. TRANS SLIP 2 – Transmission slip for some 2007+ vehicles
31. TRANS SLIP 3 – Transmission slip for some 2007+ vehicles, mainly trucks.
30. Current Gear – current transmission gear
31. Miles Per Gallon – instantaneous fuel economy
32. Calculated net horsepower
33. FUEL STATUS – Displays “Open” or “Closed” to indicate open or closed loop fueling.
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Originally posted by techntrek

Fishtail, looks like you may be in luck.  Here is the list of the available parameters for the Interceptor gauge I have.  So you may be able to get the torque converter slip based on this info, once you find the right info for Torque:

1. INTAKE AIR- Intake Air Temperature
2. INTAKE AIR TEMP. 2 (intercooled applications)
3. COOLANT TEMP- Engine Coolant Temperature
4. TRANS TEMP 1- Transmission Temperature (gas powered automatics)
5. TRANS TEMP 2- Transmission Temperature. Can be used if Trans Temp 1 is not supported.
6. RPM- engine Revolutions Per Minute
7. MAF SENSOR LB/M- Mass Air Flow (lbs/min)
8. MAF COUNTS- Mass Air Flow sensor raw output in counts
9. FUEL LEVEL – 0-100 %
10. MANIFOLD PSI- Manifold Air Pressure (psi)
11. THROTTLE POS PCT- Throttle Position percentage (0-100%). Will typically read around
10-90%.
12. PEDAL POSITION – Similar to Throttle pos. but is rescaled to read the full 0-100 range.
13. MILES PER HOUR- Miles Per Hour
14. KNOCK RETARD- Knock Retard (degrees) 4.6L 4v non-SC’ed
15. IGNITION ADVANCE- ignition timing advance
16. SHORT TRIM B1-short term fuel trim bank#1
17. SHORT TRIM B2-short term fuel trim bank#2
18. LONG TRIM B1-long term fuel trim bank#1
19. LONG TRIM B2-long term fuel trim bank#2
20. OXYGEN SENSOR B1-O2 bank 1 sensor in millivolts
21. OXYGEN SENSOR B2-O2 bank 2 sensor in millivolts
22. BATTERY VOLTAGE- Alternator/battery output voltage
23. ENGINE LOAD-calculated Engine Load (0-100%)
24. FUEL PRESSURE
25. FUEL PUMP DUTY CYCLE
26. CYLINDER HEAD TEMPERATURE
27. OIL TEMPERATURE – not widely supported on Fords.
28. Calculated Engine Torque (Auto trans)
29. TRANS SLIP 1 - Transmission slip for most 2005/2006 vehicles
30. TRANS SLIP 2 – Transmission slip for some 2007+ vehicles
31. TRANS SLIP 3 – Transmission slip for some 2007+ vehicles, mainly trucks.
30. Current Gear – current transmission gear
31. Miles Per Gallon – instantaneous fuel economy
32. Calculated net horsepower
33. FUEL STATUS – Displays “Open” or “Closed” to indicate open or closed loop fueling.


Sweet.  Just gotta find the pid then.  The Interceptor supports more stuff out of the box than Torque does, probably because they pay for the privilege, while Torque relies on users to figure some of that stuff out (likely why it costs so much more).  The Explorer also has electronically controlled front and rear diffs, as well as a electronically controlled "transfer case" as it's an AWD vehicle that adjusts individual wheel slip based on conditions.

The on board display (on the dash) lets me monitor which wheels are working the hardest, but for some reason never showed me the temp.  It also doesn't show converter slip, but it does at least show where the car is throwing the power down, from which you can infer a few things.

I'll see if I can locate the pids for the trans slip too..I was wondering if that was tied into the main ECM or relied solely on an independent controller.  But if it's on the OBDII Bus, I guess it doesn't matter.  If I find it, I'll post up.
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