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Old Dingo&Mrs.Dingo
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Topic: Wondering if torque converter isn't locking up Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 6:38pm |
Wow, Techntrek, you have been busy investigating! There could be several coolers in front of the radiator: A/C condenser, transmission oil cooler, power steering fluid cooler (similar design, but smaller), and in some rare cases an engine oil cooler.
It all sounds much like a typical towing situation, except in this specific case, temps and fuel consumption have suddenly changed without external changes (such as adding weight or wind resistance), indicating a mechanical problem. What is really unusual is that the situation does not seem to be getting worse.
The fuel mileage, of course, can be effected by the lockup converter's performance, but the transmission temperature rise while in tow/haul wouldn't be effected by the lockup converter not operating. Because the lockup converter is disabled in that mode, converter lockup failure would not be the cause of the temperature rise (over the normal towing temperature) while towing.
A few fractured vanes in the converter could explain both of these variations, higher transmission oil heat and lower fuel mileage under all conditions, but usually you would feel a vibration from the "out of balance" condition of the converter, also you should notice some "compromised" performance in daily driving.
From several hundred miles away I would never "hang my hat" on such an unusual diagnosis, it sounds too much like more than one problem. At this point I would try one of the many automatic transmission shops that offer a "free" checkup. One of the dilemmas with buying an expensive scanner is it may not find the problem and even if it does, "you are still in, 'What do I do with it now?' territory". Unless you have a shop, access to parts, and the skill to make the repair, you are still stuck with having a transmission repair shop make them. The bad part of most automatic transmission repairs are they are usually made internally, meaning removal and disassembly, which is labor intensive, therefore, expensive. Good luck and keep us advised.
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techntrek
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Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 11:00pm |
Thanks. Nothing seems unusual during daily driving. I think the tranny temps are slightly higher than before once it gets to max temp, but that takes so long I don't always hit that point on my 35-45 minute drive to/from work. So hard to say for sure. I don't feel any odd vibrations, and I'm one of those types that is always in-tune with whatever I'm driving so I'd feel it if it was there. You say the lockup is disabled in tow-haul mode, but from what I've read the opposite is true on this six-speed, with possible more aggressive lockup in tow-haul. I'm sold on getting the gauge I mentioned - it has so much other useful info and is designed to be permanently mounted on the dash like old-style aftermarket analog gauges so it will be permanently used. That will at least confirm if I'm getting lockup at all in normal and tow modes. Confirmed lockup or not, it sounds like a professional checkup is in my future... once I find out if I'm furloughed as of Tuesday... or maybe on the 17th... or maybe again in mid-November.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2013 at 8:52am |
Originally posted by techntrek
onfirmed lockup or not, it sounds like a professional checkup is in my future... once I find out if I'm furloughed as of Tuesday... or maybe on the 17th... or maybe again in mid-November.
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Are you a Federal Employee? I faced many years with a similar uncertainty at the end of our Fiscal Years. Bob
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techntrek
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Posted: 28 Sep 2013 at 9:36pm |
Yup. If they do come to an agreement before Tuesday then they will fight over the debt ceiling which has a deadline of the 17th. If they get past that, whatever they agree on this week will expire in mid-November and they'll be right back at it. Again. I think it is highly likely we'll get a shutdown at least once with so many opportunities.
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Old Dingo&Mrs.Dingo
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Posted: 28 Sep 2013 at 10:59pm |
Well Techntrek, you may be right about your Chevrolet. If that's true, the increase in "slippage" without the lockup could explain the extra heat.
Most of my experience has been on my own Ford products and damage incurred to a torque converter towing in overdrive. I was told the torque converter's clutch wasn't strong enough for even a 3.0 V6. According to the techs at the dealer, my Jeep does not lock up in the tow haul mode, and stays in 5th gear.
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Posted: 14 Apr 2014 at 1:30pm |
A quick update. With my new Aeroforce Interceptor guage mounted for several weeks I've been keeping an eye on the tranny slip during regular driving, and so far it locks up just fine. In fact, it locks up much earlier than I expected and stays locked up much longer, too. For instance, it will lock up in 2nd or 3rd while accelerating which I think is amazing. Haven't done any towing yet so that may still be another story.
The extra tranny cooler that was also recently installed has been keeping my non-towing tranny temps about 40 degrees cooler. Again, no towing yet with this in place so we'll see how much that helps when I do.
Ironically the new generator I bought is about 3 inches taller than my old one, so I have to extend the box height, so I'll get even less air flow...
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