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    Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 2:37pm
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Hot water heater and stove and refrigerator were all working fine on propane.

I have to assume there is some kind of safety device that does block the firing of the heater when only running on somewhat drained 12 volt batteries (2013 178 with two batteries up front).  Maybe we need a generator, 
 
As I mentioned in my previous post, the safety device is the vane switch.  It will prevent the ignition process but it won't kill the blower.  The battery has to be pretty low before this happens, usually the lights will appear very yellow and the blower will sound very noticably slower.  50% capacity isn't low enough to trigger this.


I was told by service at the rpod RV store  that below 11.5 volts will not fire propane to heat. Our lights were not yellow....the blower ran fine but the propane would just not kick on.

He said the gauge on the wall is worthless at predicting whether or not we had enough battery life to fire the furnace, but he could sell me a voltage meter that could. Another reason to drop a wad on a generator.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 2:52pm
If you let your batteries get down to 11.5, the fact that your heater won't run is only one of the problems you are facing.. letting your batteries go that low is VERY bad for them. Very Bad. I worked for 20 years in a field where, if your batteries failed, you could die. I pay pretty close attention to mine and know the right and wrong way to treat them. Just habit.

EDIT: also, unless you anticipate boondocking for 4 days or more in cold temps, save the wad of cash and go to a dual battery setup, and LED lights.

(unless you just want a generator.. Wink)
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Originally posted by furpod

If you let your batteries get down to 11.5, the fact that your heater won't run is only one of the problems you are facing.. letting your batteries go that low is VERY bad for them. Very Bad. I worked for 20 years in a field where, if your batteries failed, you could die. I pay pretty close attention to mine and know the right and wrong way to treat them. Just habit.

EDIT: also, unless you anticipate boondocking for 4 days or more in cold temps, save the wad of cash and go to a dual battery setup, and LED lights.

(unless you just want a generator.. Wink)


We were dry camping for three nights, four days. The battery charge lights on the panel never showed lower than 50% charge. We were a double battery set up as I mentioned above. We very sparingly used the electricity. Just how did we treat those batteries in a "bad " way? I don't think we were in danger of dying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 4:39pm
Sorry.. I didn't say you did let them get that low, I was refering to what your RV guy told you.. point being that if you let them get as low as HE was talking about, it was/is bad for your batteries.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Jdub

...I was told by service at the rpod RV store  that below 11.5 volts will not fire propane to heat. Our lights were not yellow....the blower ran fine but the propane would just not kick on.

He said the gauge on the wall is worthless at predicting whether or not we had enough battery life to fire the furnace, but he could sell me a voltage meter that could. Another reason to drop a wad on a generator.
 
Exactly what I was saying.  11.5 volts is about a 20% state-of-charge http://www.solar-electric.com/deep-cycle-battery-faq.html (scroll down to the colorful chart)
 
The problem you experienced is not the same, as you've verified since your lights were not yellow.  It may be a faulty thermostat.  I doubt its a fuel issue since you said your other propane appliances were working, and if the furnace didn't light the first time it would try multiple times.  Much longer than just 20 seconds.  I'm leaning towards the thermostat as the problem since it will turn the furnace blower off like yours did.
 
The battery meter isn't perfect, no.  Using a voltmeter (get a cheap $20 multimeter) will give you a good idea but only if the battery "rests" for at least 3 hours.  No charging or discharging.
 
A generator may appear to solve the problem but it isn't fixing the root cause.  Besides, if you are going to run a generator all night you would do better using a small ceramic electric heater which will be much quieter than the pod's furnace.  I plan to do exactly this myself this weekend at a Girl Scout campout.  I get to use my pod for my bunk and don't want to listen to the furnace since it usually wakes me up, so my quiet inverter-generator is going with me.  Anyway, the only reason to use the furnace is because you are on battery power for the night so you need to figure out the root problem before spending big bucks.  If that is your only reason to buy a generator.  If you need a backup for your home, too, I highly recommend it.  I have 3 and wish more people would buy them to be self-reliant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 5:58pm
The first time we needed the heater it would not light in our 177. Even though the water heater and the cook top worked. We were cold that night. The next day when we set up I tried it again, and it worked. I had the gas off and went to battery power for the day as we drove, and for some reason it worked the next day. It has been fine ever since. This was on shore power so is apples to oranges, but it may have something to do with first starts of the furnace.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 9:28pm
I had the same problem as keith and dar. the first year I ran everything in the drive and it all worked great. first time we needed the furnace (before we got the 1500 watt electric heater) the purge blower ran , I heard the clicking of the igniter no heat and then it shut off. I had to cycle the furnace about 3 times and then she lit and worked fine. that little heater will run you out of the pod. I think the furnace is the last item in the circuit and it has to purge air from the lines before lighting. make sure stove and refrig are doing ok, then run the furnace, it may take a couple of tries but she will light if nothing else is wrong. If we camp with shore power we use a 1500 watt heater with a thermostat, it is quieter and keeps the pod toasty warm. I have got up in the morning and have seen 35 degrees outside with a hard frost and the pod is a cozy 72 inside with the little heater. The factory furnace works great, but when that blower kicks on my eyes pop open.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2013 at 9:31pm
My furnace wouldn't work until Forest River replaced the thermostat completely at the Rally this year. Fortunately, the AC worked fine and we used shore power on cold nights.  Now we can use the furnace too!  BTW, the outside thermometer also stopped working, so we just had a bad unit.  Thanks for the free fix, FR!
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