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    Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29am
If you're running PbA batteries in an EV the battery life cycle cost is more than the electricity cost. With Li batteries its roughly the same, maybe a little less. 

Just found this Consumer Reports article. Looks like 18 states now have road taxes on EV's that are HIGHER than the average auto gas tax in that state, some over twice as high. And if you think that's not politically motivated, look at which states they are.

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I counted less than 18 existing, but in my mind, this is good news....sorta.

As I said, EV owners need to pay their equitable share, but it should be mileage based...and the technology is there, although some might argue it is intrusive. I get that.

My solution would be to impose a tax on tires that are installed new on EVs. Tires are a consumable. 

If a set of tires has an estimated life of say, 30,000 miles, just pay the per-mile tax based on 30,000 miles. It would be a one time fee, similar to an excise tax. 

Those who drive that kind of mileage in a year will pay it again for the next set of tires, and those who only drive, lets say, 5000 miles a year, well, they will pay a lot less, per year.

Seems fair to me.

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That article only listed the states that tax EV drivers MORE than they tax ICE drivers. Looks like there are 26 states that currently tax EV's something additional, so I guess that means 8 tax EV's something extra but LESS than ICE's, ans 24 more that don't yet impose any additional taxes. Also, EV buyers pay more for their vehicles up front, because of battery costs, in exchange for lower operating costs. So, they pay higher sales and excise taxes into the state coffers. 

And no, I don't agree that its fair, as long as the fossil fuel industry continues to be heavily subsidized directly and its external costs ignored.  There is an organization called ALEC that is driving much of the state EV tax legislation, I'll give you just one guess where their funding comes from. LOL

Any discussion of taxation will inevitably become political in nature, all tax structures benefit some individuals or corporate entities more than others, as we see in the disparity between how the various states are implementing this.  There really isn't any way to do it that will be seen as "fair" to everyone.  I'm done on this topic at this point, not because I don't feel its important, but because we are beginning to step outside the forum rules. 
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Here in CA, the EV "tax", I think, is about $100/year. Depending on how much fuel your ICE vehicle uses, that could be more or less than. In our case, it's less, but I'm driving a truck.

The consensus that I've read is that it's felt to be too low, but tracking mileage has big issues in several respects, including that some of that mileage might not be in state. 

Clearly, they use and contribute to the wear and required maintenance, but here is no easy solution so far.

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No vehicle tax system is going to satisfy everyone.  No one is going to be happy if s/he has to pay the real cost of his/her use of the road, especially when the external costs [the real costs] are calculated into the equation.  We all want a free lunch that the the other guy pays for.  And as long as one is protecting his/her own interests, no amount of public funds is too much provided some other sucker pays.
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