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cjscinta
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Topic: Weight distribution and brake control Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 5:54pm |
Oh and trunion or round bar? What is the difference?
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cjscinta
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 5:23pm |
Thanks all for the input. I was thinking there was some liability issue or something with the dealer and that is part of the reason besides overcharging me for it of course but it sounds like that is not the case.
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Tars Tarkas
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 4:46pm |
I agree with the notion that the dealer will get a lot more comfortable with you taking the rpod off of his lot without a WDH if you let him know that's the only way it's going. If you want to, just tell him you're going to do it yourself or you want to try towing a while without it. It's not the dealer's problem.
I just installed the Fastway E2 600. It takes a while... but isn't hard. Except for torquing things down to 450 ft lb. (I might have cheated on that a bit.)
For what it's worth, I've towed my 176 without a WDH or sway control from Florida to Cape Breton and about 15 or 20K miles in between and never had the slightest issue. I got the WDH largely on the general recommendation of this forum and I can't say I think it's worth it. I may notice a bit of difference, maybe.
I'll keep using the WDH at least for a while. It almost certainly does provide some safety benefit, but I think the bottom line is that not everyone automatically needs one. It's a matter of personal comfort level at least to some degree. But really, don't let the dealer bully you into paying $950 for one.
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CharlieM
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 1:40pm |
One more point: When you install the E2 you will measure the rear fender height with and without the trailer weight. Then the instructions request you adjust the hitch to recover the drop in the rear fenders. It is now accepted practice to recover only 1/2 the fender drop with the hitch. Full recovery is too much. Keep in mind that a poorly adjusted WDH can be worse than no WDH.
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Charlie
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 1:08pm |
I just bought a RP179 last summer and had the dealer install an E2 K6 on my Tacoma. Total bill was $497.00...they supplied the hitch and labor. It sounds like your dealer was a little high, and so are his prices.
If your Tacoma has the round seven pin connector, it will have a plug and play connector for the electric brakes behind the left front kick panel below the steering wheel. It takes little time and effort to install the controller. That may be why your dealer is goosey about letting you drive off (the fact that you have no controller for the brakes)
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CharlieM
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 1:04pm |
Originally posted by cjscinta
According to the dealer they are not comfortable with me taking possession of and driving it off the lot without having the proper ( weight distribution) hitch. I realize this may just be their way of making me spend 950 on a hitch and control from them which I don't want to do because I'm too cheap for that. 😀
| In that case ask them if they are more comfortable in your going to another dealer. They may increase their comfort level very quickly. There is no major safety issue with your unloaded 179 and an unloaded Tacoma. get it home and install/adjust the E2. Just keep the speed down and stay off freeways until you are accustomed to towing. However, you must have the brake controller. I recommend Takonsha Prodigy P3 if you haven't already bought one.
The ride home without WDH might be good for you so you can appreciate the difference.
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cjscinta
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 12:42pm |
Charlie. I agree with you. I don't want to do it at the dealer. Hence my dilemma. I need the trailer to do it which I will have to purchase and take possession of. According to the dealer they are not comfortable with me taking possession of and driving it off the lot without having the proper ( weight distribution) hitch. I realize this may just be their way of making me spend 950 on a hitch and control from them which I don't want to do because I'm too cheap for that. 😀
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CharlieM
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 12:18pm |
Originally posted by cjscinta
Hey Charlie. Thanks so much for the quick response. I really liked that Camplite 21. I was afraid I was pushing my tow capacity with it. Glad to see the Tacoma can pull it. Interested to see how you like it.
So when you say time consuming do you mean a couple of hours cause I will probably have to do this at the dealer. Cause the you tube video of the install is only 10 minutes long. (Kidding) | We really like the Camplite. The Tacoma pulls it very well but I did add the TRD supercharger for altitude because we spend a lot of time in Colorado. I wouldn't plan to make the hitch adjustments at the dealer's lot. You can't do it with a dealer standing over you. Get the wrenches and prepare to do it yourself at home. You'll need a level surface such as an empty parking lot on a weekend to measure, make the adjustments, remeasure, and try it out. Some may say you don't need WDH, but I always say you'll want it. WDH, even on a full sized PU, really improves the ride by eliminating porpoising and bounce. Read posts on this forum and you'll find most folks end up in that camp.
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 11:54am |
Hey Jasp. That is really all I thought I needed was the sway bar. I'm sure the dealer is just trying to sponge me for more or liability etc. Thanks for the info.
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cjscinta
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 11:50am |
Hey Charlie. Thanks so much for the quick response. I really liked that Camplite 21. I was afraid I was pushing my tow capacity with it. Glad to see the Tacoma can pull it. Interested to see how you like it.
So when you say time consuming do you mean a couple of hours cause I will probably have to do this at the dealer. Cause the you tube video of the install is only 10 minutes long. (Kidding)
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