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Burt
Groupie Joined: 04 May 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 62 |
Topic: Mileage Per Gallon Posted: 23 Jun 2013 at 10:08am |
Kickstart:
Thank You for your statistics! It confirms many of the comments and data others have presented in this forum. Thank your Mother for teaching you to do that! Generally, I believe that most of us purchase a smaller trailer for ease of towing lighter vehicles with the smaller engines now in trucks and SUV's. We combined that thought with the unrealistic anti-gravity thought in mind that a POD will magically get good mileage when towing. Not so! While I am very pleased with our POD, I am also like most who thought it would be a bit like a teardrop, burro, casita type mileage. Not so! Most likely, as long as the tow vehicle is capable, the only real answers for better mileage are to use a lower speed as proven, or buy a bigger TV. Other than that, another solution is to find a way to reduce wind turbulence with flared canopy on the TV or invent a front cowling on the POD. The latter is not going to be done by a manufacturer as they are happy once these are out on the road and the money transfer is made. Not to mention that unlike car and truck manufacturers, there are not government mandates forced upon trailer manufacturers to achieve better mileage. Personally, I did achieve 1 to 2 MPG better by putting a performance chip in our truck, and I installed a K&N air filter. Also, I use Non-Ethanol gas when towing and usually get more MPG out of a gallon than the corn fuel. The chip improved the non towing by 3 to 4 MPG. Physics and fantasy don't really do well together. |
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Anthony Valenzano
Groupie Joined: 09 Apr 2013 Location: Archbald Pa Online Status: Offline Posts: 44 |
Posted: 22 Jun 2013 at 11:45pm |
I usually get 10.5 Mpg towing with a 2008 pathfinder. I drive about 60, occasionally bumping up to ~72mph if the traffic is moving fast. What is strange is that 72mph seems easier than 65 mph, like the wind starts to break.
My impressions is that travel trailers are not wind tested and not much attempt is made to make them aerodynamic. Its expensive and difficult to manufacture large things that have curves in three dimensions. I believe they should push the air around the sides and round the back a bit. My parents get better gas mileage in their 35' Winnebago. If you look at it all the corners are rounded by about 3 inches. One other thought was that vehicles are all wind tunnel tested these days. So I bet you are better off with a larger TW, just to have a larger but more aerodynamic thing moving the air, rather then the pod. This may mean more than engine displacement. However a transmission that can't lock up can be devastating to mpg. |
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Bill-GA
Senior Member Joined: 13 Jan 2012 Location: Cumming, GA Online Status: Offline Posts: 214 |
Posted: 22 Jun 2013 at 10:41pm |
I remember watching Myth Busters last year and they took the concept of recessed circles on a golf ball and applied it to the back, front,top & sides of a car (5-6 ? inch concave circles) and they got a 10% improvement on MPG. It would make a strange looking trailer ... but hey, 10% savings on gas.
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Bill & Bev
13 yr old dachshund 'Elsa' 2010 RP-176T (tent & slide-out) 2011 Toyota Tundra 2WD TV |
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David and Danette
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1215 |
Posted: 22 Jun 2013 at 10:03pm |
I watched a video of a radius shaped front trailer same weight and same length as a trailer with a V shaped front towed by the same TV and using same gas from same pump traveling identical routes wind direction and speed the same. The V shaped trailer had the better MPG. but not by much. I don't know if any of the trailer manufactures test there trailers to have the best shape for MPG as the automobile industry does. Perhaps that will be something commonly done in the future as fuel prices get higher. It would be a good competitive selling point. Lite weight is a popular selling point now for best MPG. David
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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019) 2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014) Middle Tn 2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab |
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TIDALWAVE
Senior Member Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: MINNESOTA Online Status: Offline Posts: 315 |
Posted: 22 Jun 2013 at 9:09am |
From computer simulations another guest and I ran independently a couple of years ago, mpg while towing depends little on weight (in non-hilly areas). The most important factor was the frontal area of the trailer. The gap between the tow vehicle and the trailer also was a factor. R-Pods are about 11 feet high and 6 feet wide. From member responses, the size of the tow vehicles engine does not seem to matter much for mpg. The variations tend to be from 10 to 14 mpg. The rounded shape of the Pods does NOT contribute to increased mpg...the rounded frontal shape produces a much larger spacing between the tow vehicle and the Pod. This allows air rushing behind the tow vehicle more room to 'swirl' and thus produce more drag. You may notice the fiberglas sheathing behind a big rig semi cab and the trailer, decreasing the distance of the open gap between the two. The rear 'clearance lights' spoiler will do little to increase mpg. It is just too small.
A 'pop-up' trailer, of the same weight as the Pod, will deliver a significant increase in mpg because its frontal area while being towed is much smaller than a Pod. |
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techntrek
Admin Group - pHp Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Location: MD Online Status: Offline Posts: 9059 |
Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 10:58pm |
Prior TV, Toyota Sienna: 23 mpg commuting |
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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ Pod instruction manual
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2Peas-n-Rpod
Groupie Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Location: Nampa, ID Online Status: Offline Posts: 96 |
Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 10:55pm |
I have a Ford f150 5.4L V8 4x4. We have towed a Pod and a 26 ft. Prowler with this truck, and both were about 8-10 mpg. Like dsmiths said above, if I keep the speed 55 or under, I get around 10-11 with the Pod. With my little 6X10 1200 lb. utility trailer in tow, I get around 12-14, mostly stop and go traffic in town with it. Best mileage for this truck is about 17-18 mpg.
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2011 R-Pod 182G Hood River Edition
"Ribbitt" Pod (now sold) 2000 Ford F150 5.4L V8 TV |
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dsmiths
Senior Member Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Southern Ind Online Status: Offline Posts: 866 |
Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 10:01pm |
I have not made any long pulls, most of our trips are close to home (both still work) trips are 70 to 100 miles round trip. I used to pull at 70 mph and got about 10 or 11 mph, then dropped to 60, now I try to keep it at 55mph and in the right lane. 45 up steep hills. We did a 80 mile round trip last week and I got 14.7 but kept it down to 55 or lower. when you double the velocity the drag goes up by 4. when I hit 60mph it feels like I am pulling a parachute. t.v. is a 08 chevy trailblazer 4.2 in line 6 , 295 hp.
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Dane and Donna Smith
2011 RP-172 2008 Chevrolet Trailblazer 4X4 lift kit prodigy wireless brake controller |
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hogone
Senior Member Joined: 09 Apr 2013 Location: St. Louis Online Status: Offline Posts: 1043 |
Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 4:42pm |
wow, great stats
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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177 2010 F150 2017 HD Streetglide 2009 HD Lowrider CHEESEHEAD |
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Kickstart
Senior Member Joined: 20 Sep 2010 Location: Ocean Shores, W Online Status: Offline Posts: 267 |
Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 4:31pm |
1. 1991 Aljo 17'/1992 S-10 4.3 v6-10-14 mpg
S-10 best non towing mpg tank was 28 mpg (35 mph day around Yellowstone)
2. 1994 Layton20'/1992 S-10 4.3 v/6 and 1997 F150 4.6 v8/9-12 mpg
F150 best non towing tank was 17.9 mpg
3. 1998 Arctic Fox 22'/F150 4.6 v8/8-11 mpg
4. 2005 Chalet 18' foldable hardside (low tow height)/F150 4.6 v/8 & 2007 3.7 v6 Dakota/10-15 mpg
Dakota best non towing tank was 22.6 mpg
5. 2010 RP 175 2007 3.7 v6 Dakota/ 9-11 mpg 3 trips only
2006 4.0 Toyota Tacoma v/6 10-12.5 mpg 18 trips over 1.5 yrs
2012 4.6 Toyota Tundra v/8 10.5-14.3 mpg 20 trips over 1.5 yrs
Tacoma best non towing tank was 22.8 mpg
Tundra best non towing tank was 23.7 mpg
All Pod trips have been from 2 to 7 days in length. Notice that while towing the Pod, the bigger the tow rig I had, the better the towing mpg. That may not be a constant for everyone, but that's what it has been for me. I have hand figured nearly every tank of gas for the past 44 years of driving, and that's not nearly as anal as my mom. She still has notebooks covering date, gas purchased, price, and mpg for a LOT of driving years. Oh, Mom! Just about time to take away the keys.
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'10 RP 175-Replaced by 2014 Kodiak 173 QBSL
'12 Toyota Tundra '05 Sportster (half a Harley) Retired-We're on Beach Time! |
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