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    Posted: 25 Apr 2023 at 1:09pm
+2  Your best bet, load your R-Pod as though going on a trip, don't forget to fill your FW tank with water if you travel that way.  Go to your county garage and they will weigh it for free.  Take that total weight and make sure you have 11% or more of that weight on your tongue to reduce/eliminate trailer sway.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GlueGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2023 at 9:31am
+1 to the empty weight metric.

You will never tow that trailer at the empty weight because it will never be "empty". The best rule of thumb is to go by the gross weight of the trailer, and I'm betting that is going to be in the range of 3200 lbs (or maybe more). Further, if you "front load" your trailer (put too much stuff forward of the wheels), that will also have an outsized effect on the tongue weight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lostagain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2023 at 5:41am
Yedmonds5, I think the weight you are referring to is the "dry weight" specification.  It assumes a completely empty trailer with no batteries, and no LP tank, etc.  What you need to consider is the gross vehicle weight or GVWR, which is in the neighborhood of 3750 lbs. for a 176.  Trailer manufacturers play a little game in marking lightweight trailers by significantly understating the real in use weight.  By the time you add liquids, all your gear, a battery or two, and LP gas, you will be well up into the high 3K lbs. range.  
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what I would suggest doing is easing into it. Get the brake controller installed and dial it in. Take the trailer out for a trip w/o WDH (maybe a few day shakedown trip) and see how it feels to you. If it feels the least bit squirley on the highway, then consider a WDH. Alot of it depends on how far you are going and under what conditions. I use a WDH and would not travel without it (179), but might feel differently with a smaller trailer. I have a friend who tows a smaller RPod with a Tacoma without a WDH and she does fine. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gpokluda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2023 at 2:23pm
Congrats on the 176. Hope you make many happy memories  with it. Glad you have settled on the need for a brake controller and WDH. My vote goes to the Fastway E2. Used that on our 179 for 10's of thousands of miles. Never felt out of control.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Yedmonds5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2023 at 1:33pm
My Rpod 176 weighs 2600lbs. And my TV is rated for 5000lbs. So I will definitely be getting the brake controller, thanks to all the responses. Now I’ll have to do my research on the WDH. I don’t want to get anything that’ll tow something bigger as most likely it’ll be just me camping and I don’t see myself getting anything bigger then this Rpod.
Thanks for all the responses.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lostagain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2023 at 5:54am
Carlisle load range D tires are made in China.  I have purchased several over the years and they all are stamped with their country of origin.  Load range D tires work better to dampen trailer sway, but the comfort achieved by using a WDH and keeping the trailer and TV balanced makes a tremendous difference.  If you have a vehicle with a high towing capacity so that the weight balance is not really an issue, then it's overkill.  But, when you have a vehicle that has a 5000 pound tow limit, the WHD for a typical rPod 170 series makes the cost well worth the comfort, safety, and stability you achieve.  When we towed our 172 with our Dodge Dakota it clearly needed the WHD and I am very glad we had it, especially in high cross winds.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote jato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2023 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by StephenH

Jim, a lot depends on the model RPod (or other trailer). The heavier 178/179/180/190, etc. would be a different scenario than the lighter ones The heavier trailers have a correspondingly heavier tongue weight. More tongue weight, more load on the back end. Thus, while you might not need or want a WD hitch, I would not tow without it.


That is quite understandable.  Our case is becoming more 'unique' as all the newer pods, except for the 171 fit into our scenario.  The empty weight of our 177 is a mere 2415 lbs. (no A/C, micro/convection oven or entertainment system), but fully loaded with 36 gallons water, 135 lbs/batteries and two 20# propane tanks on the a-frame and fully loaded to go for a 30 day excursion and the weight jumps to 2940 lbs. which is still probably much lighter than the bigger ones produced when they are loaded for a trip.  The 11% tongue weight (compliments of offgrid) means I need at least 323 lbs on the tongue to be safe, and we are, compliments of that battery weight - we have 340 lbs, good to go.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote StephenH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2023 at 6:00pm
Jim, a lot depends on the model RPod (or other trailer). The heavier 178/179/180/190, etc. would be a different scenario than the lighter ones The heavier trailers have a correspondingly heavier tongue weight. More tongue weight, more load on the back end. Thus, while you might not need or want a WD hitch, I would not tow without it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2023 at 5:02pm
Guess I am the odd man out here, have towed our 177 for 12+ years using the following for tow vehicles: 8 years with '08 and '13 Explorers (26,000 miles) and 4 years with '11 and '17 F-150 (17,000 miles) using a basic $ 40 Curt friction bar over all weather condition including: heavy snow and rain storms, sleet, hail, and strong 30+ mph cross winds with really no negative issues encountered.  Probably the best improvement made was on my 3rd set of tires purchased 2+ years ago going from china tires "C" load to Carlisle Radial HD "D" load tires which are much more stable and much less flex when running through adverse/strong cross winds going down the highways.

Possibly I would change my mind if I were to utilize a WDH but with all the conditions encountered thus far after 12 years and not having any problems that may be a hard sell.
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