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    Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 4:05pm
We own an r-pod 191 for the last three years. Just last spring I installed an Andersen WD hitch and I'm pleased with its performance. 
https://andersenhitches.com/product/weight-distribution-hitch/ 
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One advantage of raising the combination of hitched tow vehicle and trailer is that you verify that the trailer is hitched up correctly and not just appearing to be hitched up. That is a good reason to do so.
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Yep, the only way to get the rig set up correctly is to be on totally flst pavement.


Different design wdhs tension up differently. With the chain type like I had you connected the top of the chains to pivoting hooks and then using a pry bar rotated the hooks up and over center. In the process the chains tension the wdh bars. Then you put in clips to hold the pivoting hooks in position.

All wdhs are easier to tension up if you connect the hitch then use the jack to raise both the trailer and the TV. Then tension.

To me that has a couple of drawbacks though. First is you have to raise and lower the hitch twice. Second is that if you do it that way you don't get a good feel for how much tension you're applying to the bars. On our relatively light trailers if you have a lot of tension on there something is probably not quite right. Like maybe I hadn't had my morning coffee yet and miscounted chain links when hooking up.

And last but not least you don't get your morning upper arm workout.
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Seems to me the key is to do your set up on a level/flat surface so the measurements don't get messed up.  The TV and trailer should all be on the same flat plane.

Once properly adjusted, the tension bars will be a little below the L brackets and unless you are really strong, you're not going to be able to put them into running position.  The solution is simple, just raise the tongue with the tongue jack until the bars can be positioned, put in the retainer clips, then lower the the tongue and stow away the jack in the full up position and you're ready to go.  To unhook, use the reverse process.  They give you a pry bar to help muscle the tension bars into position or pry them off the L brackets, but that is way too much work and if you ever got hit by a tension bar popping off under pressure you could really hurt yourself.  It bears repeating that this procedure presumes proper adjustment of the WDH in the first place per the manual's instructions and that the WDH is properly sized for your trailer and TV..  That means you vehicle may not be perfectly level, but is within the range described in the manual. 
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Look at it this way. The TV has additional weight on it when you hitch up the trailer. That weight will be the tongue weight minus whatever weight the wdh has shifted back to the trailer axle.

Let's say your TV was level to start with without the trailer. Now let's say your tongue weight is 500 lbs and the wdh shifts 100 lbs of that to the trailer axle. That leaves 400 more lbs on the TV, distributed between it's two axles.

If you have gone though the recomended wdh front suspension adjustment process and gotten back to your unhitched front suspension height you know none of that 400 lbs has gone up front, bc if it had then there would be more front suspension squat.

Since the extra 400lbs didn't just disappear it has to be sitting on the rear axle. So the rear axle will be sitting lower than it was when you were unhitched, and the TV will not be level. Can't be any other way.

How noticeable that TV squat is depends on the tongue weight, how long the TV wheelbase is, how long the TV rear overhang is, and how stiff it's suspension is. If you have a big or long TV or a light trailer its probably going to be pretty darn close to level.

But if you have a high tongue weight and a lighter, shorter wheelbase TV, it will be quite noticeably tail low when hitched, even with a properly set up wdh.

My Highlander was like that. It has a pretty short wheelbase and my 179 ran close to the Highlander's tongue weight limit. It was noticeably low enough at the rear that I at first thought my wdh wasn't tensioned enough. I even went through the scales to convince myself I had set things up right.

The tension on the wdh needed to get the TV even close to level would have been way too high, over 1000 lbs, enough that it would probably have overstressed the frame of the TV and or the trailer. My wimpy old arm muscles likely aren't strong enough to tension it that much without help from the tongue jack.

That's why I wanted to warn folks not to try to tension their wdhs to get their TVs level.
That is, unless you need the excercise and like fixing bent frames or broken axles. Then feel free to build up those biceps and have at it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lostagain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 9:32am
For the Fastway e2 round bar, here is the setup manual:  https://www.fastwaytrailer.com/pdf/e2-round-bar-hitch-instructions.pdf

If the WDH is properly adjusted the front height is either equal the unladen position or up to half the distance between the position of the front with no WDH while the trailer is hooked up and the unladen position.  There is a sweet spot that is described in the manual.  If the front position is higher than the sweet spot, then not enough weight is being transferred to the front and the torsion bars needed adjusting per the instruction manual.  If the front is below the sweet spot, then too much weight is being transferred to the front axle requiring a different adjustment to the torsion bars.

As OG suggests, it seems the ideal is reaching the same front height position as the unladen TV, but not below it.  Presumably the TV before loading is more or less "level" with the ground, but different' suspension vary so the pre and post loading measurements are critical.  The instruction also discuss the position of the trailer pointing out that it should also be more or less level with the ground and that the hitch head inside top on the trailer should be even with what would be the top of the hitch ball, or very slightly above it.  They have a nice diagram to illustrate it.  See figure 1, page 10.  

And last but not least, be sure to attach all the warning stickers they give you so that you can wear them off from normal use and other users can blame you for their failure to read the manual.
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Well I'm puzzled by what you're referring to.

I looked up the Fastway E2 round bar hitch instructions on their website and saw the same procedure we've been discussing: measure the TV front axle height before and after hitching the trailer and try to get after to be at least halfway back down to before and preferably all the way back but no further.


Then after thats done they tell you to adjust the ball height to get the trailer level.

sounds right to me...


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Originally posted by offgrid

Epistle? Let's just say its an opinion and
call it good..

Gpokluda, no disagreement I don't think. I think the Escape folks were probably talking about getting the trailer level.

I agree with that. That has lots of benefits, one of which is so you can climb in and sleep flat while on the road without having to fool with the tongue jack.

I was referring to the TV not needing to be level.

You can pretty easily get the trailer level by just adjusting the ball height.

To get the TV level without overtensioning the wdh is probably going to require helper springs or an air lift kit.

Well, no actually they are talking about the rig in total; TV and Trailer being level. Additionally, while putting a packet of instructions together for the new owner of our Rpod, I came across the Fastway setup instructions for the E2 hitch. The setup is pretty clear that, with the TV and trailer loaded as they would be for a normal trip, the distance between the trailer frame rails to the ground should be equal front and back and the distance from wheel opening to ground on the TV front and back should likewise be equal. To me, that means the TV and the trailer are level as a unit.

Anyway, I have no dog in this fight since at 10am MST, our 179 left with its new owner for new adventures. My final thought is this: Level and balance are mostly good things and my gut and experience tell me that this applies to RVs. Yep, there are outliers in any distribution but for the most part, the norm is good. If the manufacturer of a trailer and the manufacturer of the hitch system recommend level with while staying within the weight capacity of both the TV and the trailer, it is probably a good idea to follow those recommendations.

Maybe we are saying the same thing, maybe not. I'm out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gpokluda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 2023 at 11:54am
Originally posted by GlueGuy


Not to be argumentative, but using a WDH on a 5th wheel is not possible; at least with all the 5th wheels I know. The load point for a 5th wheel is MOL on top of the rear axle, so it changes the weight distribution equation from a completely different perspective.

GlueGuy. Really? I didn't know that just having towed our new Escape 5th wheel 1500 miles back home from Canada. I guess I better send the new E2 back. Explains why I couldn't hook it up LOL
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Epistle? Let's just say its an opinion and
call it good..

Gpokluda, no disagreement I don't think. I think the Escape folks were probably talking about getting the trailer level.

I agree with that. That has lots of benefits, one of which is so you can climb in and sleep flat while on the road without having to fool with the tongue jack.

I was referring to the TV not needing to be level.

You can pretty easily get the trailer level by just adjusting the ball height.

To get the TV level without overtensioning the wdh is probably going to require helper springs or an air lift kit.
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