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good day all. completely a non-pod question; actually a home ?. i have done some minor electrical stuff in my days, but by no means an engineer!! i am remodeling our master bathroom and need to move the gfi outlet. at present, it is a two outlet as i am assuming most are. pam would like 4 outlets, so my question is can you wire 2 of them together and next to eachother? hope that makes sense. jon

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thanks vann. thats what I thought. jon

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The 2020 IECC seems to allow some limited splicing without a junction box, provided approved connectors are used. Here is an article that describes these connections: https://www.jadelearning.com/blog/splicing-nm-cable-in-walls-and-other-concealed-spaces/ But, be sure to check local codes which may still prohibit these splicing systems.

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It is allowed in existing buildings in limited remodeling situations. It would be worth checking with your local building department, if code compliance is a concern. As for the safety issue, if it is safe to use for repairs, then it is probably safe to use in the kind of remodeling you propose. A phone call to the local building department can save you a lot of headaches.

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LA, once upon a time I was on one of the code review committees for the NEC, so I know how the process works.

First, understand that the NEC is a prescriptive code, meaning that it's not open to adjustment or expansion based on logical arguments. It's not like the law, where you can make a logical argument based on interpretation of precedent, and maybe get that accepted in court.

In this case the Code says that device can only be used for repairs. Nothing else. Just repairs.

If you want to add or change anything to the Code you have to make a submittal and wait till the next 3 year cycle for it to get reviewed.

And the Code changed in the 2014 cycle to restrict the use of that device to just repairs. That wasn't random, something had to have gone wrong for that to happen, because there are guys on the committee representing the manufacturers who would have got that proposed change tossed out unless there was a good reason.

Now all that being said, the AHJ does have the final word and can approve (or disapprove) what he wants. In my experience though, AHJs rarely knowingly approve something that is a Code violation. No benefit to them to take the risk. They very often miss things though...

Of course, if the work is being done without a permit, then the homeowner can choose to do what he likes (at the risk of being the defendant in a lawsuit if something goes awry later of course).

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hogone Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 09 Apr 2013 Location: St. Louis Online Status: Offline Posts: 1060	Post Options Post Reply Quote hogone Report Post Quote Reply Calendar Event: ELECTRIC ? Posted: 15 Jan 2023 at 1:57pm
	good day all. completely a non-pod question; actually a home ?. i have done some minor electrical stuff in my days, but by no means an engineer!! i am remodeling our master bathroom and need to move the gfi outlet. at present, it is a two outlet as i am assuming most are. pam would like 4 outlets, so my question is can you wire 2 of them together and next to eachother? hope that makes sense. jon
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Pod People Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Location: Chapel Hill,NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 1088	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pod People Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2023 at 3:44pm
	Not a licensed electrician, but I think it is the same scenario as the pod-one GFIC outlet in the circuit is enough. simply wire the second outlet in series with the existing gfic outlet and it will be protected the same. Travel safe and often Vann
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hogone Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 09 Apr 2013 Location: St. Louis Online Status: Offline Posts: 1060	Post Options Post Reply Quote hogone Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2023 at 4:22pm
	thanks vann. thats what I thought. jon
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offgrid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290	Post Options Post Reply Quote offgrid Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 2:44am
	Yes you can. But you can't simply remove the existing single gang box unless you have access to run new Romex from wherever it's coming to that box from, or reach you new box location with the existing wire. Anywhere you make a connection you need to have an accessible junction box, you can't conceal the junction behind the drywall.
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lostagain Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595	Post Options Post Reply Quote lostagain Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 6:41am
	The 2020 IECC seems to allow some limited splicing without a junction box, provided approved connectors are used. Here is an article that describes these connections: https://www.jadelearning.com/blog/splicing-nm-cable-in-walls-and-other-concealed-spaces/ But, be sure to check local codes which may still prohibit these splicing systems.
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offgrid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290	Post Options Post Reply Quote offgrid Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 9:45am
	2014 NEC code cycle and onward you can use that thing for repair work only, not new wiring, which this is.
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	It is allowed in existing buildings in limited remodeling situations. It would be worth checking with your local building department, if code compliance is a concern. As for the safety issue, if it is safe to use for repairs, then it is probably safe to use in the kind of remodeling you propose. A phone call to the local building department can save you a lot of headaches.
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	I would take out the duplex box, and replace it with an "old work" quad. Then just connect an ordinary outlet on the secondary side of the GFCI.
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offgrid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290	Post Options Post Reply Quote offgrid Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 1:15pm
	LA, once upon a time I was on one of the code review committees for the NEC, so I know how the process works. First, understand that the NEC is a prescriptive code, meaning that it's not open to adjustment or expansion based on logical arguments. It's not like the law, where you can make a logical argument based on interpretation of precedent, and maybe get that accepted in court. In this case the Code says that device can only be used for repairs. Nothing else. Just repairs. If you want to add or change anything to the Code you have to make a submittal and wait till the next 3 year cycle for it to get reviewed. And the Code changed in the 2014 cycle to restrict the use of that device to just repairs. That wasn't random, something had to have gone wrong for that to happen, because there are guys on the committee representing the manufacturers who would have got that proposed change tossed out unless there was a good reason. Now all that being said, the AHJ does have the final word and can approve (or disapprove) what he wants. In my experience though, AHJs rarely knowingly approve something that is a Code violation. No benefit to them to take the risk. They very often miss things though... Of course, if the work is being done without a permit, then the homeowner can choose to do what he likes (at the risk of being the defendant in a lawsuit if something goes awry later of course).
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lostagain Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595	Post Options Post Reply Quote lostagain Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 2:10pm
	OG, let's leave it at simply saying we disagree. I worked extensively with many so called prescriptive codes, especially elevators, and they are all subject to interpretation of the building officials, for better or worse, and some times before a court. Few codes are well written and most are loaded with ambiguity for inartfully chosen words. I still think it is worth a call to the local building inspector's office to see their local position. If they say no, then don't do it.
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