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offgrid
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Topic: AT Tires R Pod 171 Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 9:13am |
Who ever said engineers, or anyone else, is infallible?
Didn't I just point out that you can usually tell an engineering dominated company because the products will tend to be complex and relatively expensive with lots of obscure features. Not particularly good things. Nor did I say that lawyers and accountants don't add value. Quite the opposite. What I said was that lawyers and accountants arent where the core value resides in a company that builds products. They aren't what makes that company great. They are there to preserve value created by others. So absolutely they have value to add but they shouldnt run the place, any more than an engineer or manufacturing manager should run a law firm. If that's not obvious I don't know what else to say. The very best manufacturing companies understand that their core value is in design, manufacturing, or customer service, and are excellent there, but are also very very good at the other two. And they also have proper checks and balances on the legal and finance sides. And importantly the corporate leaders demonstrate due respect for all the above. Sadly, FR seems to be almost entirely sales dominated, with seemingly little thought left over for design excellence, quality, reliability, or, based on some of their claims, perhaps for legal considerations either. Not sure where they are on the accounting and finance end of things, but I'll bet they're pretty good there or ol' Warren wouldn't have invested. |
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hogone
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 9:33am |
dam, i crashed the batcycle (again no lawsuit). now onto a real superhero......El Kabong. jon
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Jon & Pam
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lostagain
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 11:33am |
Dang, jon, you gotta read those warning labels.
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Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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hank*pod
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 12:14pm |
https://philosophia.uncg.edu/phi361-matteson/module-1-why-does-business-need-ethics/case-the-ford-pinto/
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gpokluda
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 12:58pm |
Ironically, a fully restored Pinto will command $8K to $15K these days. About 3-4 times of what they cost new.
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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023) 2022 Escape 5.0TA 2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB Triumph T120 |
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lostagain
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 1:21pm |
The Ralph Nader model of the Corvair commands a pretty good price too. In good shape, north of $20K.
Were they designed by bean counters or lawyers looking for roll over cases to defend?
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Linda&Gino
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 1:35pm |
Some companies try to push design while some try to maximize profit and some try to do both. From my time in the motorcycle industry, mechanics loved to work on Hondas because they were easy. We hated to ride Hondas because it was like kissing your sister. The design by committee approach Honda used refined all of the character out of the bikes. On the other hand, mechanics did not like working on Yamahas because they were hard, but we loved riding them because they were exciting.
Not sure where I was going with that but there it is.
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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD! 2022 Escape 5.0 TA 2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5 Triumph T120 Bonneville |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:13pm |
FWIW, I'd take a Corvair Corsa Turbo in a heartbeat. Great fun. But I wouldn't get in a Pinto unless my life depended on it. And even then I'd have to think about it.
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StephenH
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 3:13pm |
Come on now. Pintos did not spontaneously explode. I had one. I even had a rear-end collision of a sort. I stopped for a red light because the signal was changing and I hit the brakes instead of trying to get through the yellow light. A Volkswagen Beetle behind me did not stop quite so quickly. His bumper hit my tailpipe. It broke the muffler hanger and I could see where the exhaust pipe hit the brake line. I think it wasn't flattened because of the pressure it was under. He had a bent bumper to show for it. I took a piece of an old tire to make a replacement muffler hanger and drove it until the exhaust system needed replacing when the muffler rusted out.
My Pinto lasted better than a classmates Chevy Vega. That thing was covered in rust spots the first winter and the aluminum engine block needed to be bored out and iron sleeves put in to stop it form burning oil. The Pinto replaced a 63 Corvair that I drove when I first got licensed. It was not turbo and it did have the swing axle. It wasn't until after it started dancing when I pulled back in my lane after passing a car that I read Unsafe At Any Speed. Then I understood why it had done that. I also found out that it was not very good on ice from freezing rain after making a couple of 360 degree turns and ending up in a snowbank. Other than that, the 2 speed automatic was really bad. I'm glad it had the automatic though as I got hurt and could drive with my left foot since it didn't have a driveshaft tunnel.
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StephenH
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lostagain
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 3:37pm |
StephenH, what year was your Pinto? The recalled ones for the gas tank issue were made between 1971 and 1976 with the recall of 1.5M Pintos and 30K Bobcats taking place in 1978.
Ah, yes the Chevy Vega, one of the worst cars ever made by GM. Didn't they experiment with some kind silica coating on the walls of the cylinders that wore off when the pistons got distorted due to excessive heat from an inadequate cooling system?
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Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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