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    Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 10:58am
  Thanks Stephen. I will have the batteries tested but they are both under a year old, agm Universal 100ah. I have two of them. I did run them down one time to 40% but have not since? With the frighted I do not think that it opperates on 12v , only propane or 110 or so the switches on the frig indicate. Is there a battery test that I can do without hooking it up and taking it down to auto supply store? 
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With your multimeter you could test to see if they will hold a charge.  Check electrolyte levels, fill with distilled water only, if low.  Give each a 24 hour 2 amp trickle charge and disconnect from the charger.  Let sit for 4-6 hours and take a reading.  You should get something between 12.72 (fully charged) to 13.3volts or so.  Take another reading a day later and then 2 days later.  The drop in voltage should be minimal. 

In northern Michigan where I am the 12volt batteries were charged November 1, 2020.  Since then they have been directly sitting on concrete in a unheated garage.  Temps for the last few days have risen to about -7C,  yesterday the temps never got above -14C.

I just checked voltage for both batteries, the oldest one (will be 11 years old in April 2022) read 12.52v the other one read higher and it has now been nearly 10 weeks since they were charged.  After a couple days the voltage shouldn't vary by more than 0.02 volts at the most, if so they have probably been hurt.  As advised above, go to an auto parts store and get a load test performed.
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You just said they were AGM. That means they are sealed. That means that you can't pull the caps off and test the electrolyte level. Using a meter to see if there is a power drain and how much if there is is probably the only thing you can do short of taking them out and down to your local Walmart or Auto Parts store for testing.
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 I have taken the shore power off the camper and the batteries test at 12.67-68. I am going to leave the shore power off for the night and then test in the morning to see if there is any noticeable difference. Thanks for the input again!
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Unless you have a battery disconnect, there will be some drain since the CO/LP detector and some other devices don't get disconnected otherwise. They are small drains, but over time, even small drains can kill your battery.

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Checked the batteries this morning after going through the day without shore power and they are now 12.50 or 87% according to the instrument I have to keep track of the batteries power level? When I took the power off the batteries they were reading 12.68 and 100%. After charging back up to 100% Tonight I am going to turn on the battery disconnect and remove shore power and see what happens. I suppose that if  I leave the shore power on and turn on the battery disconnect the batteries will not continue  to charge?  
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You are correct.  Try testing your batteries with shore power off (or as you plan with the battery disconnect on) and then for the next few days check your batteries at the same time and see how much voltage drop there is.  That will tell a lot as far as the integrity of said batteries and if they have the ability to hold charge.
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Not to confuse things, but I read somewhere that one should not charge AGM batteries with chargers for Lead- Acid batteries.  Could that be part of the problem?  
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Hello John,

Not quite. AGM batteries are still lead-acid. It is just that the electrolyte (acid) is absorbed into glass mats which are between the lead plates, thus AGM. They do take a little different charging profile from flooded lead-acid batteries though. One charger I have as settings for flooded, AGM, and Gel batteries. All these are lead-acid.
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A little battery 101.

Flooded batteries need higher charge voltages occasionally. Flooded batteries tend to stratify, with the heavier sulfuric acid (lead acid battery electrolyte is a combination of water and sulfuric acid) settling to the bottom leaving lighter water on top. Eventually this can cause damage to the battery.   Once a battery is fully charged additional charging results in electrolysis of the water, creating hydrogen and oxygen. The bubbles this forms mixes the electrolyte and counteracts the stratification. This process is called equalization, and good chargers have an equalization cycle at intervals if you select the flooded battery option.

AGM and gelled electrolyte batteries (generically called valve regulated lead acid batteries) fix the electrolyte in place either by gelling it or absorbing it into glass matt's so they don't stratify and don't need equalization charging.

However, they also have less electrolyte and no way to add more. They are aren't really sealed, just have valves that regulate the internal pressure, hence the name VRLA. The valves are needed to vent the gasses if they do get overcharged. Otherwise they will try to recombine (burn) the hydrogen and oxygen internally, overheat and can explode. Not good. So be sure you do not charge AGMs or gell batts using the flooded battery setting on your charger.

So the pros of AGMs are no stratification and no need to equalize or add water regularly. The cons are high cost and lack of a way to add water if they are overcharged. Not much if any difference in capacity or cycle life.

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