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Topic: batteries
Posted By: Hunter
Subject: batteries
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 4:07pm


  I have another question about battery usage. I have a 21 rpod 196. I have two universal 12 volt 100amp batteries on board and for some reason overnight they go down to 50-60% and I have to charge each day. I am using the frig, the heater, and hot water all on gas. I know the water pump is going to drain the batteries some but this seems to be excessive. I have a friend that has only one of the 100amp batteries on his older 2019 rpod and he seems to be able to go for 3-4 days before charging using the same things. The inverter is turned off. We rarely use the fan in the bathroom. The hot water heater's electrical switch is turned off in the heater bay. Any suggestions or just validation that his should not be happening ? Thanks Hunter



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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 4:55pm
You are correct, that is excessive usage.  Hopefully you have a voltmeter or multi-tester to check battery voltage.  First, make certain the electrolyte levels in the cells are full.  If low add distilled water until you get to the full mark.  Second, check voltage, each battery when fully charged at rest should read 12.72v or slightly higher.  If not run a trickle charge on each low battery, 2 amps is a good way to go - let it run for 24-36 hours to slowly charge battery.  After that let is set for 3-4 hours before checking voltage-again after charging it should read 100% or 12.72 volts.  Let it set for a day and check again, it should read about the same, if it is a lot less than it is a good indicator the battery has been hurt in the past and won't hold a charge.

I just replaced one of my 12v group size 24 Interstate deep cycle batteries last October; it was 3 months shy of turning 11 years old.  Maintenance is key to longevity and also not to run it below 60% S.O.C. or 12.2v before recharging.  My other 12v will turn 11 years old April 2022.  They will last with proper maintenance.  This is in northern Michigan.  When boondocking in colder weather (40's at night with the furnace running a lot) we expect 3 days before switching batteries.  As you do we also run fridge, furnace, hot water all on propane.


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'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 7:16pm
Also check to make sure the breakaway switch is in place and not pulled. That would be quite a load on those batteries.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 7:32pm
+1  I bet it would take the battery below 12v if pulled for a 24 hour period.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 2:05am
Yes, first check the breakaway switch.

How much of the time us the furnace running? IIRC the furnace fan consumes 6-7 amps. So if that was running at a very high duty cycle, that could account for your battery discharge.

Excluding those two possible loads there is nothing that jumps out that would explain that discharge. To investigate further, buy a multimeter with DC current measuring capability. They are very inexpensive now, and very useful to keep in your traveling toolkit. Just make sure the meter specifically measures DC current and not just AC current.

Clamp it on one of the battery cables and see what current you are drawing for your various loads.

While waiting for your meter disconnect your battery so you don't destroy it, unless you are watching it on a continuous basis.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:56am
I believe if the breakaway switch is pulled, after a short time it will overheat and melt. I've seen it happen once. Maybe not all breakaways do that, but some do. The furnace will take a lot of battery power, I find that in 30 ish degree weather, you'lll get about 2 - 2 1/2 days. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 8:11am
Are you sure the refrigerator is not on 12V?


Posted By: Hunter
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 10:35am
Thanks for all of your thoughts. When I was using up the battery the way I described I was not using the furnace. Only the frog, hot water, pump, and lights. Hot water and pump were working off propane. I now have winterized the camper so hesitate to set it up again to test. I have a friend that suggested that the hot water heater might be the culprit but I know the electric switch is turn off and has been. I keep the camper plugged in to shore power at home to keep the batteries up. I hope this does not hurt the batteries? Where do I locate the breakaway switch? I have the multimeter on hand now but hisitate to hook everything up again before it gets warm. I will try to read directly from the batteries to see what is happening there in terms of discharge. Thank YOU all again for your thoughts and suggestions. 


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 10:42am
The water heater uses 12V for control and the direct spark ignition for the propane. It should not be draining the battery. The electric element is 110V, not 12V. The refrigerator could be the cause if you have it on 12V DC instead of propane or 110V. The pump should not be either unless you had an empty tank and it were running constantly. The LED lights could run for a long time before draining the battery, but you probably were not running them all the time. The refrigerator or the breakaway switch are the two most likely culprits if the cause is a power drain. However, it is more likely given the information you have posted that you have a bad cell in the battery. That is why I said you need to have it tested.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Hunter
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 10:51am


Posted By: Hunter
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 10:58am
  Thanks Stephen. I will have the batteries tested but they are both under a year old, agm Universal 100ah. I have two of them. I did run them down one time to 40% but have not since? With the frighted I do not think that it opperates on 12v , only propane or 110 or so the switches on the frig indicate. Is there a battery test that I can do without hooking it up and taking it down to auto supply store? 


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 11:57am
With your multimeter you could test to see if they will hold a charge.  Check electrolyte levels, fill with distilled water only, if low.  Give each a 24 hour 2 amp trickle charge and disconnect from the charger.  Let sit for 4-6 hours and take a reading.  You should get something between 12.72 (fully charged) to 13.3volts or so.  Take another reading a day later and then 2 days later.  The drop in voltage should be minimal. 

In northern Michigan where I am the 12volt batteries were charged November 1, 2020.  Since then they have been directly sitting on concrete in a unheated garage.  Temps for the last few days have risen to about -7C,  yesterday the temps never got above -14C.

I just checked voltage for both batteries, the oldest one (will be 11 years old in April 2022) read 12.52v the other one read higher and it has now been nearly 10 weeks since they were charged.  After a couple days the voltage shouldn't vary by more than 0.02 volts at the most, if so they have probably been hurt.  As advised above, go to an auto parts store and get a load test performed.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 3:12pm
You just said they were AGM. That means they are sealed. That means that you can't pull the caps off and test the electrolyte level. Using a meter to see if there is a power drain and how much if there is is probably the only thing you can do short of taking them out and down to your local Walmart or Auto Parts store for testing.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Hunter
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 4:53pm
 I have taken the shore power off the camper and the batteries test at 12.67-68. I am going to leave the shore power off for the night and then test in the morning to see if there is any noticeable difference. Thanks for the input again!


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 7:59pm
Unless you have a battery disconnect, there will be some drain since the CO/LP detector and some other devices don't get disconnected otherwise. They are small drains, but over time, even small drains can kill your battery.



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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Hunter
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 7:10am
Checked the batteries this morning after going through the day without shore power and they are now 12.50 or 87% according to the instrument I have to keep track of the batteries power level? When I took the power off the batteries they were reading 12.68 and 100%. After charging back up to 100% Tonight I am going to turn on the battery disconnect and remove shore power and see what happens. I suppose that if  I leave the shore power on and turn on the battery disconnect the batteries will not continue  to charge?  


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 10:56am
You are correct.  Try testing your batteries with shore power off (or as you plan with the battery disconnect on) and then for the next few days check your batteries at the same time and see how much voltage drop there is.  That will tell a lot as far as the integrity of said batteries and if they have the ability to hold charge.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 11:00am
Not to confuse things, but I read somewhere that one should not charge AGM batteries with chargers for Lead- Acid batteries.  Could that be part of the problem?  


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 12:24pm
Hello John,

Not quite. AGM batteries are still lead-acid. It is just that the electrolyte (acid) is absorbed into glass mats which are between the lead plates, thus AGM. They do take a little different charging profile from flooded lead-acid batteries though. One charger I have as settings for flooded, AGM, and Gel batteries. All these are lead-acid.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 5:56pm
A little battery 101.

Flooded batteries need higher charge voltages occasionally. Flooded batteries tend to stratify, with the heavier sulfuric acid (lead acid battery electrolyte is a combination of water and sulfuric acid) settling to the bottom leaving lighter water on top. Eventually this can cause damage to the battery.   Once a battery is fully charged additional charging results in electrolysis of the water, creating hydrogen and oxygen. The bubbles this forms mixes the electrolyte and counteracts the stratification. This process is called equalization, and good chargers have an equalization cycle at intervals if you select the flooded battery option.

AGM and gelled electrolyte batteries (generically called valve regulated lead acid batteries) fix the electrolyte in place either by gelling it or absorbing it into glass matt's so they don't stratify and don't need equalization charging.

However, they also have less electrolyte and no way to add more. They are aren't really sealed, just have valves that regulate the internal pressure, hence the name VRLA. The valves are needed to vent the gasses if they do get overcharged. Otherwise they will try to recombine (burn) the hydrogen and oxygen internally, overheat and can explode. Not good. So be sure you do not charge AGMs or gell batts using the flooded battery setting on your charger.

So the pros of AGMs are no stratification and no need to equalize or add water regularly. The cons are high cost and lack of a way to add water if they are overcharged. Not much if any difference in capacity or cycle life.

Hope that helps.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2022 at 9:54am
So, Offgrid, are you saying that one should not charge AGM batteries with the charger in the r-Pod?


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2022 at 6:22pm
Good question. After my personak experience with 16+V from my WFCO, I wouldn't. That would cook 'em. I'd consider getting a Progressive Dynamics charger future proofed with a lithium setting in case you want to change over later.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Hunter
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:41am
 I had a talk with a mechanic friend of mine and he told me a story of a woman with a camper who had a agm battery which kept running down quickly which I think she charged with the camper. She replaced the battery a couple of times and finally discovered that recharging it with the camper hurt the battery and has now switched to regular lead acid batteries. He suggested that my problem might be the same and that I check with the manufacturer of my camper to see if there is a problem with the rpod charging system charging Agm batteries? I have now left the power off the camper for 24 hrs and the batteries are holding at 12.88 which is down from the original 13.1 when I pulled the power?  I of course have been using the rpod power system to charge the batteries and keep them up whenever I have shore power. Anyone have any contacts with rpod to ask this question? I have not had much luck contacting them . 


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:57am
When you test right after turning power off, you are getting a surface charge reading. I think this will be confirmed, but it is recommended to wait before testing. The 12.88 is likely the true state of charge reading since the battery had time to even out.

https://mechanics.stackexchange.com/questions/44197/what-is-surface-charge-and-how-does-it-affect-battery-testing - https://mechanics.stackexchange.com/questions/44197/what-is-surface-charge-and-how-does-it-affect-battery-testing

Note that with AGM batteries, stratification is not an issue.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:58am
You might have better luck getting a name and model number off of the charger in your rPod and contacting that manufacturer.  As a suggestion only and not implying any great knowledge of the subject, you might want to switch battery types.  I have been very happy with two 6v golf cart batteries since I bought the rPod in nov of 2014.  But one does have to check the water level from time to time, and even when it looks pretty good, a surprising amount of distilled water is needed to top each cell off.  And the curve on the front of the pod makes a flashlight and mirror a good choice.  It may be time to replace them this spring.

I recently switched out the battery box but that is a whole different subject.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 3:36pm
Lead acid batteries in a stable open circuit condition will be around 12.6-12.8v when fully charged. The 13.1V indicates that either the battery is charging or has recently been charged. An hour or two at open circuit is sufficient for the battery to stabilize. So your voltage greadings are normal. That doesn't really tell you much about the battery capacity though. Capacity is measured in amp hours. To test that you need to leave a known load (in amps) on the battery for a specified time (in hours). Amps x hours = amp hours. Take out something like 50 amp hours to get a good capacity reading. You'll need a timer and an ammeter. If your battery gets below 12V then stop. There are inexpensive DC clamp on multimeters on Amazon.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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