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    Posted: 16 May 2021 at 11:18am
I had a discussion with a retired Honda generator tech. He droned on and on about how much better a Honda was than everything else. I've had 4 Honda Motorcycles, 1 Car and now a Honda powered lawn mower.

Honda generators may well be better. I don't need a Rolls-Royce to drive to work. And I sure don't want to pay for one.

My Ducati has been as reliable and trouble free as the best of my Hondas. My Kawasakis have been perfect! The Honda engine on my mower is great if you can start it without WD-40 (no ethanol, always stabilizer treated fuel). The Accord was the most expensive car to maintain I've ever had and needed a new tranny at 98k miles. I'm not anti-Honda, but they are not sliced bread.

OP, you sound like you want an inverter generator for the noise. I have a Powerboss 3500/4350 synchronous generator that starts my A/C with barely a change in sound. I think you should be looking at a generator with a surge capacity in the 3500 watt class, to keep weight and cost down. Look at Briggs inverters; I think they have one in the right size.
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You can run your a/c from a Honda 2.2k if you install an Easystart on your a/c to reduce startup load. That would give you a small lightweight, high quality generator for about $1k. The Easystart costs about $300 but is well worth it.

Also consider a propane conversion, much cleaner and easier than carrying around gasoline. You already have propane on your trailer.

As for noise, the inverter generators are quiet when at low power demand because the inverter allows them to run at low rpm. But none of them are quiet when heavily loaded, including the Hondas.

There are numerous studies on the energy balance of corn ethanol, and although the majority conclude that it has a positive energy balance, its certainly not great. Ethanol's main benefit is as an oxygenating agent so it improves air quality. But it's bad for small engines for sure, especially one that sit around unused for long periods.
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I have a Honda 2200. It was "on sale" at CW for $995 including a vinyl cover. I converted it to propane and added a MicroAire Easy Start to the AC. The Honda powers the AC fine. I can't run M/W and AC at the same time, but everything else is available  with the 2200.  It is quieter than most generators, starts every time and has been mechanically sound. It is light enough that my wife or I can carry it.
I view it as a long term purchase and happy I spent the extra money to get the quality I wanted.  If it were stolen or I needed a generator, I would buy another one just like it.  I have no hesitation recommending it.
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I purchased a Champion 3100W generator some years ago. It's working well, and runs everything (not at the same time) in my RPOD including the air conditioner. 

It's pretty quiet for 3000 plus watts, and the one they make now which replaced this model is dual fuel. I've not used one of those, but it's output is 3400 Watts peak, and claims to run fairly quiet.

I've heard the Honda generator is the best for reliability and noise, but they do cost considerably more than other brands.
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https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=ON

Here is a link that many may be interested in for finding ethanol free fuel, at least in Canada and the USA.

Seems I just lucked out in my choice of fuel stations in our little town where I fill up my gas cans.
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Thanks Stephen, I stand corrected...not all premium fuels are ethanol free, even if we wish they were!

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Suffice to say,imho, what ever fuel you use in your seasonal/low use engines, put the best fuel in it you can get in your area and stabilize it.

I always add good quality fuel stabilizer and enough to last 2 years. I use Stabil, Seafoam or Phaseguard to help ensure less chance of the fuel going bad. To further guard against carb issues I also turn off the petcock (where available, and every genny I have had had a fuel shutoff) and run 4 stroke motors until the carb is emptied of fuel. 2 stroke motors like chainsaws please don't run them out of fuel as they need the oil for lubrication. I used to mix my own but for years now I use the engineered premixed fuel. It is good for at least 2 years and I haven't regretted it.

Once the motor has burned all the fuel available and stalls out, I then pull the start cord until firm resistance is felt...this rotates the motor until it reaches its compression stroke which means both intake and exhaust valves are closed. This seals the motor from air/moisture getting in which could lead to corrosion/damage in the motor over time.
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The dirty secret about ethanol is that it has less energy per gallon than gasoline. When 10% is added to gasoline, the mileage one gets from that adulterated gasoline is about 10% less than if gasoline without ethanol were used. Not to mention that something that is a food stock is then diverted into making ethanol. I'm not sure about the numbers, but it takes much more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than it does to produce a gallon of gasoline. The link below has some numbers, but  that is only one side of the picture. The second link has pros and cons of ethanol.

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Absolutely, positively, use ethanol-free gas in any small gas engine.  Ethanol will kill a small engine if you aren't careful.  Around here I don't think it's available in premium octane, but it is more expensive than gas with 10% ethanol gasoline.

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What normally is ethanol free is called RV gas . . . no ethanol and is 90-91 octane.  I run it in all my small engines: string trimmer, chain saws, leaf blower, log splitter, snow blower.  Most amazing is I never have to add Stabil or any thing similar to RV or Rec. gas.  My leaf blower sits for 11 months at a time without getting used.  1 pull on full choke and it starts right up - been that way for years.  Wouldn't do that with regular gas sitting in a tank for that long.  Before using rec or RV gas I would add Stabil to my log splitter as it would not get used for up to 6 months at a time,  bad results, as things gummed up and had to purchase a new carb, it was so gummed up I was unable to clean it out good enough to have it run properly and it was only 3 years old.
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Originally posted by campman

Whatever genny you decide, always use premium fuel to eliminate ethanol. Ethanol is hydroscopic among other problems that come with it and absorbs moisture from the fuel as well as from the air. The untreated fuel can start breaking down in as little as month or 2, leading to varnish etc creating problems in your carb and lines.

Any fuel you use treat immediately with a good quality fuel stabilizer so it is good for at least a year...you will appreciate the lack of fuel issues after your low use or seasonal motors don't fail on you when you need them. This goes for all seasonal motors by the way.
One quibble with what you wrote Andy. Not all premium gasoline is ethanol free. It has to specify ethanol-free in order to be sure it is. Other than that, that is good advice.

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