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    Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 6:48am
From Ford:  Model (Option Code) (536)(1) Trailer Wiring Harness (4-Pin) X Hitch Receiver X Trailer Sway Control X (1) Available with 2.0L EcoBoost® I4 only. Available as dealer accessory with 2.5L I4 engine and 1.5L EcoBoost® I4 engine (I have the 2.0L w Ecoboost)
I think the Sway Control is varies to power to each wheel to control sway with brakes.
I had the brake controller professionally installed as running the wires on the car would be a total pain without a lift.
I was in the foothills of Penn and VA as I didn't want to take I95 around DC so it was hilly but no wind. The Aeroplus looks interesting.  I don't have racks on my Escape so I guess I'd have to add them as well.
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I thank you for your input on the Escape as you have real world experience.  It sounds like the conditions you were towing in with your Escape would have been a challenge with any TV.  I guess what a lot of folks don't take into account is looking into another TV was going to cost me about $10,000 and then I would have a vehicle that would get significantly worse mileage when not trailering.  I get about 27 mpg on highway and 21-22 around town.  Would a WDH provide any measure of stability assist?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 9:24am
Originally posted by pedwards2932

I thank you for your input on the Escape as you have real world experience.  It sounds like the conditions you were towing in with your Escape would have been a challenge with any TV.  I guess what a lot of folks don't take into account is looking into another TV was going to cost me about $10,000 and then I would have a vehicle that would get significantly worse mileage when not trailering.  I get about 27 mpg on highway and 21-22 around town.  Would a WDH provide any measure of stability assist?

There are certainly conditions that would challenge any rig, but the more marginal the setup the more likely that is to occur. In many cases we can avoid those situations by choosing to wait until conditions improve, but often surprises happen. 

The other consideration with a marginal rig is lack of flexibility in the form or reserve capacity if the mission changes and say one wants to do a little boon docking or carry a couple extra passengers. 

I too have towed for many years and originally thought that I might tow an rPod with a 3500 lb rated vehicle. I would have been overweight. Being a Toyota guy, I was looking at a Rav4 and got the Highlander instead.  Cost is certainly an major consideration for me and most of us on this forum. If it wasn't we would probably be driving around in much more elaborate dedicated RV's. I couldn't handle a $10K cost difference either, so I buy used vehicles so the cost difference is not much. The Highlander gets a couple less highway mpg than the Rav with the same drive train not towing, there's wouldn't be any measurable difference towing because towing fuel consumption is dominated by the trailer air friction.

For sure a wdh will help improve rig stability, including sway stability. When you hang a trailer on the back of a TV it unloads the front axle. That is especially true for a compact vehicle with a short wheelbase.  Resistance to sliding is proportional to weight and the front axle is your steering control and has the best brakes on the rig, so taking load off it reduces its ability to control the rig. The wdh puts the weight back where its supposed to be. The problem with a wdh is that that load redistribution is not constant, it depends on the road being flat. If you say drive over a high spot the wdh loses tension and load shifts back to the rear TV axle from the front. That's why wdh's generally don't increase tow capacity. But they do help ride, handling, and braking.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 10:20am
Being retired I am neither in a hurry or time restricted so I feel uncomfortable I am pulling off and waiting.  When I checked on trading in and getting an Explorer with 5000 tw it was going to cost 10,000 plus the worse mileage I would have when not towing.  I had absolutely no sway pulling it from Penn but there was no wind and I drove between 55 and 60.  It is only me, wife, and dog.....trailer isn't big enough for anymore.  Never intend to carry water and closest I will come to boondocking is sleeping overnite while on the road.  If these conditions change or I feel uncomfortable with weights I will look into another TV.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 10:26am
Now to my original issue.  I think the 1 #30 Propane is more than enough for me.  I think I can make an adapter to use the single tank.  I could cap off the unused line on the regulator or just get a single regulator?  I can't seem to find any decent looking single tank mounts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 12:07pm
I keep a single 30pounder on the trailer and a spare (exchangeable) 20 pounder in the pickup bed. Works well for me. Of course I can reverse that when the 30 pounder runs low. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by pedwards2932

From Ford:  Model (Option Code) (536)(1) Trailer Wiring Harness (4-Pin) X Hitch Receiver X Trailer Sway Control X (1) Available with 2.0L EcoBoost® I4 only. Available as dealer accessory with 2.5L I4 engine and 1.5L EcoBoost® I4 engine (I have the 2.0L w Ecoboost)
I think the Sway Control is varies to power to each wheel to control sway with brakes.
I had the brake controller professionally installed as running the wires on the car would be a total pain without a lift.
I was in the foothills of Penn and VA as I didn't want to take I95 around DC so it was hilly but no wind. The Aeroplus looks interesting.  I don't have racks on my Escape so I guess I'd have to add them as well.
Thank you. I am glad you do have the brake controller. A WD hitch, preferably with sway control built in such as the Equal-i-zer, the Fastway E2, or the Andersen No-Sway hitch would improve your ride quality and would make sure you have sufficient weight on the front end for steering and traction since it sounds like you have the FWD Escape like I did. Even with the Equal-i-zer well adjusted, I could still spin the tires easily if I gave it too much gas when taking off from a standstill. I avoided dirt roads because I did not want to be in a situation where I had to stop on a hill and would not be able to get going again.

An alternative to a WDH with sway control is electronic sway control such as that from Tuson, Hayes, or Lippert. I have the Hayes Sway-Master which I added after our accident. I never wanted to be in the situation where applying the trailer brakes (which the Escape won't do since the factory sway control only controls the vehicle wheels) would have helped bring the trailer back in line. In the midst of an incident, there is not always time to think about reaching for the manual control. The Hayes Sway-Master applies the trailer brakes if it detects a sway situation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 1:42pm
That sway control looks great.......I'd have to move the terminal board to make room for it.  The Hayes looks to be about $370 from the manufactorer. It uses GPS and gyro.  Lippert about same price uses accelerometer and gyro.  Tuscon is $550 somehow monitors yaw?  I would worry a little about using GPS if you lost signal?  It will definitely be my next purchase.  Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 2:45pm
I tend to agree about the gps LOS issue. The Tucson does look interesting, I hadn't looked at it before. 

I think it can probably do what it needs to with just an accelerometer. Its mounted on the front crossmember so in a sway event it measures lateral acceleration of that point relative to the axle. Displacement in mathematical terms is just the second integral of acceleration, so from the acceleration it can know how far the sensor has been displaced side to side. If it knew how far the unit was from the axle it would be able to easily calculate the yaw angle, but I don't see where it is ever actually programmed for that distance so it probably doesn't know the actual angle,. But it probably doesn't need to, it can learn what is normal yaw while turning and distinguish oscillations in yaw due to sway from that.

 Interesting device, but boy is it pricey. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by pedwards2932

That sway control looks great.......I'd have to move the terminal board to make room for it.  The Hayes looks to be about $370 from the manufactorer. It uses GPS and gyro.  Lippert about same price uses accelerometer and gyro.  Tuscon is $550 somehow monitors yaw?  I would worry a little about using GPS if you lost signal?  It will definitely be my next purchase.  Thanks.
The GPS is for speed detection. The gyro is for the sway control. The Hayes needs to know how fast you are going so it does not apply the brakes in a situation where it would be counterproductive, such as low speed turns. It fully activates at 45 mph. I'm not sure how the other two handle it. I don't think a simple accelerometer would detect vehicle speed. It would detect rate of yaw, but the gyro would likely also be able to handle that.
Pitch: front to back tilting movement.
Yaw: side to side movement.
Roll: Just like it sounds rotational movement in line with the trailer.

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