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smedleyludlow
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Topic: Weight Distribution hitch Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 8:56am |
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 3:23am | ||
The link to the towing calculator is down at the bottom of my post.
Re when the spring bars will fail you need to consider them as if they were cantilevered beams, fixed at one end with a point load at the other end. That beam configuration has a moment at the fixed end of M = F x d. d is 18 inches and in my case F is about 750/2 = 375 lbs (2 bars) , so M = 6750 in-lbs. Assuming a 1 inch bar, the section modulus is 0.098 in^3 so the stress is M/S = 6750/.098 = 68 ksi. Way past the yield of mild steel. And that is before we add a 2x factor to handle 2 g bump loads, which are common. I don't have my trailer or wdh anymore but I'm sure the bars on my 1000 lb wdh were larger than 1 inch dia. Unlikely they are mild steel either, spring steels are around 100 ksi or better in order to not be to stiff in deflection. I did eventually find a statement that my bars were rated at 1000 lbs each max. In any case, the point is that you can for sure bend your wdh spring bars under bump loads if they are too light for the application. So run the calculator for your actual load case and get wdh bars rated for that. Might be 600 lbs for a light rig but not for a heavier configuration set up for boondocking. In my case an 800 lb rated wdh would have worked but been marginal. The ride was quite comfortable will 1000 lb bars so I went with that. And you are not going to bend your TV frame by using a wdh with a higher rating because if you have it set up properly the max load on the bars, frame, and trailer will be the same regardless of the wdh rating. |
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Rpod-Couple
Newbie Joined: 21 Jun 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 37 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 9:36pm | ||
The WDH bars are 1” diameter making a cross sectional area of 0.785”. The yield point for mild steel is about 50,000 pounds-per-square inch x 0.785 inch-squared = 39,000 lbs for each bar. I don’t see how 600 lbs spring bars are going to yield anywhere near 1200 lbs. They have a huge safety factor.
I have run this on-line WDH calculator and everything is in the green for my CX-9, with 600 lbs WDH, and R-pod 171. https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php |
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Steve & Elaine
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PilotPodder
Senior Member Joined: 04 May 2016 Location: Portage, MI Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 9:00pm | ||
OG, you mention a calculator in your prior post, was there supposed to be link to it or am I missing something?
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 8:41am | ||
Sorry but your math is not correct. Put your actual weight numbers in this calculator. I have validated that it is calculating correctly. A wdh applies a moment (think torque) about the ball in order to transfer load to the front axle and trailer axle from the tongue and the rear of the TV.
In my case to apply the proper moment I needed to tension my wdh spring arms to 750-800 lbs. Note that the moment load on the spring bars (and TV frame) is independent of the spring bar rating up to the point of spring bar failure. Under what conditions will that failure occur? Bump loads can double the steady state load on the system. The WDH designers of course know that as do the vehicle designers. So the spring bars need to be designed with a yield point roughly double the wdh rating. So around 1200 lbs for 600 lb bars and 2000 lbs for 1000 lb bars. If I had used 600 lb bars on my rig I would have come close to or exceeded their yield point frequently under bump loads. My ride was great with the 1000 lb spring bars so I was happy. 800 lbs would also have worked for me, but no lighter without risk of spring bar failure unless you are running a light rpod lightly loaded with also a lightly loaded TV. So a lightly loaded 171 might be fine with 600 lbs spring bars but not so with a heavier boondock ready 179 or other mid sized rpod. towing calculator |
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Rpod-Couple
Newbie Joined: 21 Jun 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 37 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2021 at 8:16pm | ||
I concur with Alan. The 2019 Highlander weighs in at about 4500lbs - similar to my 2010 Mazda CX-9. There is roughly 2200 lbs resting on the front and rear axles. The WDH pushes upwards on a large sub frame around the rear axle. The WDH is pushing upwards on the chassis about 300lbs to offset the tongue weight. At most shifting 100-150 lbs to the front axle. Likewise 100-200 lbs is being pushed back on the rear axle of the 180. This amount of weight is well within the Highlander’s chassis capability when you consider what it’s total payload capacity is (as long as you aren’t loading a ton of gear in it.) I initially tried 1000 lbs spring bars and it made the ride very harsh as every bump the trailer wheels hit was transferred to my vehicle. I switched to 600 lbs bars and the ride smoothed out nicely. Hardly notice my 171 is there.
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Steve & Elaine
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TheBum
Senior Member Joined: 26 Feb 2016 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 1407 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2021 at 6:30pm | ||
The stiffer the bars, the more stress it's going to place on the TV when you hit bumps. The lighter weight bars will act somewhat as shock absorbers.
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Alan
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2021 at 5:47pm | ||
I had a 1000 lb rated wdh on my Highlander, no issues. When a wdh is set correctly it will exert the same moment (torque) on the tow vehicle regardless of it's rating. That is because it is intended to return the load on the front axle to what it was without the trailer. It should never be tensioned more than that.
As for unibody vs body on frame, either one can be damaged by excessive moment (torque) beyond what it is designed for. That is for the manufacturer to tell us. So if your vehicle's owners manual allows use of a wdh you can use one, within the other load limitations of your vehicle. If it is not allowed (flr example Subaru does not authorize their use) then don't do it. I always used a wdh with my rig, the the ride and handling was much better with it. That doesn't mean you have to use one, you are free to do what you want within the limitations of your vehicle. The flip side of that is that a single individual's experience is not statistically significant, no matter how many thousands of miles one of us drives and it is ok (or not) that doesn't mean that something is (or isn't) dangerous. To have that level of confidence requires millions of miles driven by thousands of people. |
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TheBum
Senior Member Joined: 26 Feb 2016 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 1407 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2021 at 10:38am | ||
Yes, but I towed my 179 many thousands of miles with a 2012 Highlander and a 600/6000-lb E2 hitch and never had an issue. I think the issue comes if you oversize the WDH.
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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod" 2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4 Three cats |
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Colt
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 10:32pm | ||
Isn't the Highlander built on a unibody? Are any hitches built for it that are built for weight distribution? My SUV and 180 does not need weight distribution, nor sway damping, but I use a friction sway damper just in case. It is a unibody and nobody makes a weight distribution rated hitch for it. |
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John
'16 R-Pod 180 |
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