Space heater trips inverter breaker (R-Pod 195) |
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Linda&Gino
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Topic: Space heater trips inverter breaker (R-Pod 195) Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 4:30pm |
We have a Renogy 1000watt inverter hooked to our twin 12volt LA batteries. It will handle a small 4 cup coffee maker and a couple of pieces of toast. I wired seperate outlets for the inverter (to keep things simple) and it all works fine.
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gpokluda
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Talking_Cow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2022 at 4:43pm |
Thanks Pod_Geek. Its on my list of things to watch for this winter (black Friday maybe?)
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Pod_Geek
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Sep 2022 at 9:23am |
If you have the same inverter I do, then if the EMS kills shore power you would have to switch the inverter on...I don't believe it's automatic. The battery won't last too terribly long if you're powering more than the lights and low-amp 120-volt items. Using the hair dryer and coffee maker will be an issue. If you're worried about low-voltage scenarios I would look at the autoformer option, which as I mentioned above just came in very handy when we encountered a low-voltage situation for the first time.
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Talking_Cow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Sep 2022 at 9:03am |
Thanks offgrid, I'm totally with you now. If the grid power goes low, the EMS will kill the power to the pod, but life in the pod goes on (other than AC & Microwave) thanks to the Inverter's ATS. And I've got all winter to look for an EMS ... dang, winters coming...
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 10:23am |
There are hybrid (grid tie/stand alone combo) inverters you can buy which will either work in parallel with the grid or off grid. Those are nice because they are bidirectional and will either charge the battery or provide additional current if your day in a 15A circuit trying to run the a/c and micro. But theyre expensive and FR doesn't offer them.
The additional specs you provided are mostly for the inverter function and are pretty typical. None of that tells us what the voltage or frequency limits are that trigger the ATS to operate. That might be covered in the UL standard that the ats was presumably listed under. I'd guess the limits would be pretty loose if they existed, UL standards are safety not performance standards. Of course, a total power failure would trigger it. My feeling is that if you feel you need brownout protection, hanging an EMS in front of the inverter/ATS would do it, because the EMS setpoints would determine when the ATS sees an outage. Short of that if you have a visibly low grid voltage situation you can just disconnect and manually trigger the transfer. With the inverter/battery available, you only need an autotransformer if you don't have a generator and want to run the a/c or expect the low voltage condition to last a long time, the inverter/battery will take care of your low power appliances and short duration voltage drops. |
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Pod_Geek
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 9:09am |
Well, we just returned from a 10-day trip and for the first time our Hughes Autoformer saved our bacon. We stayed at a KOA that had a low-voltage problem due to someone knocking over a power pedestal and effectively shutting down half the electric grid. When I plugged in the autoformer the "Boosting" light came on for the first time ever. Guy across from us (a relative newbie) came over and asked us why his Watchdog was indicating 106 volts, and I told him there was obviously an issue (didn't know at the time what had happened). He talked to management, got his money back, unplugged from power, and moved on the next morning. Bottom line: The autoformer (which has surge protection and also warns of open neutrals and grounding issues) is a great first line of defense. I understand that some folks also attach a power watchdog after the autoformer.
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Talking_Cow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 8:44am |
Thanks, I'll have a look at that one.
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Talking_Cow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 8:42am |
Great analysis. Thanks. Of course its not going to augment the grid power from the battery in a brown out situation, not sure what I was thinking there. (Its not a UPS) I haven't found anything in the manual on how low the grid power needs to go before the ATS flips it over to battery. Under Inverter Operation - "The WF-5110RS Inverter is equipped with an internal transfer switch to automatically route either the incoming AC power or inverter produced AC voltage through to the output." And "When incoming AC power is not available, and the Power Push button is in the ON position, the inverter will produce AC voltage at the output." These seem to be the other relevant specs:
So, I think surge suppression is a no brainer, but I'll have to think on if I want the additional layer of insurance with the EMS. We don't get a lot of brownouts where we've been camping.
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 6:11am |
I don't believe the inverter itself would take care of brownouts. It's not going to be a hybrid type inverter which parallels with and provides grid support. It will be either on or off, depending on whether the grid connection is down or up, and there will be an automatic transfer switch which will determines that.
So, if the grid voltage is low but not low enough to trigger the ATS to activate the inverter, then you could still see a low voltage condition on the trailer circuits. Is there a min voltage spec for the ATS transfer listed? If so and it is acceptable then as you say you wouldn't necessarily need an ems, just a surge supressor. If it's not then you might still want an EMS so you could depend on it to disconnect the grid and allow the inverter to take over when you wanted it to. As for an autotransformer, that would maintain the voltage so the ATS wouldn't trip and the inverter would stay on under low grid voltage conditions. If you expect to encounter low grid voltage conditions a lot you might want that to avoid running on your battery, but it seems a bit like overkill to me. |
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gpokluda
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2022 at 6:57pm |
I would suggest the Autoformer Power Watchdog. We picked it based on positive reviews and because it also has Emergency Power Off (EPO).
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Gpokluda
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