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spydie
Senior Member Joined: 25 Jul 2017 Location: New Mexico Online Status: Offline Posts: 159 |
Topic: Dead Dometic RM8501 Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 2:02pm |
I'm going to check that very same thing on mine when I get it back from the service department (of course a lot of that test depends on your hearing! LOL)
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2018 R-pod 176
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marwayne
Senior Member Joined: 25 Oct 2011 Location: Edmonton AB Can Online Status: Offline Posts: 1002 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 2:00pm |
Here is what I do. If I stand about 2 or 3 feet away from the fridge outside and I can't hear the flame clearly the burner and orifice needs cleaning. I clean mine once or twice a season.
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spydie
Senior Member Joined: 25 Jul 2017 Location: New Mexico Online Status: Offline Posts: 159 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 1:45pm |
Paul, There are a lot of variables and I doubt there is any "Normal." If it's 70 degrees outside the temperature in the fridge will be a lot different at any setting than if it's 100 degrees outside. And we found out today that it makes a BIG difference if the unit is IN the Pod or sitting on a test bench. Because of the refer being in a slide-out, they unable to put a roof vent (which would be a lot more efficient) and these Dometics apparently lose a lot of efficiency just because of being mounted in the RV. Dometic will tell you the only way they accept temperature readings is if you are doing the "water test." That is, a glass of water in the fridge with a bulb thermometer in it. It's the only way they'll accept readings from a service department (as my service department told me today after they've been talking to Dometic service directly). I didn't realize the service and diagnostic manual I posted was not for the 8501, but you're right, it does have a lot of information in it.
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2018 R-pod 176
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pgoelz
Groupie Joined: 22 Jul 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 1:36pm |
And thanks for the link to the service manual. Note that is NOT the RM8501 manual (which can be found on the net) but there is a LOT more detailed operational and testing information in the one you linked to vs. the actual RM8501 manual.
I put a remote reading thermocouple (former engineer here) in the fridge so I can keep tabs on the internal temps without opening the door. Looks like on the middle setting, it is holding right at 41 degrees. I'll call Dometic and see if I can get them to tell me if that is nominal or not. I suspect it is. Paul
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Wood River Pod
Senior Member Joined: 30 Sep 2016 Location: Wood River, ID Online Status: Offline Posts: 153 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 1:15pm |
Fred, thanks for the link back to the previous post. I kind of remember seeing that right after we bought our 179.
Paul, thanks for the step by step instructions. Most helpful! I so appreciate the level of knowledge and the willingness of this community. Thanks
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spydie
Senior Member Joined: 25 Jul 2017 Location: New Mexico Online Status: Offline Posts: 159 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 12:54pm |
From the Dometic manual:
Determine if the refrigerator works on one heat source but not another by testing it in the alternate modes. Also, ask the customer if he gets better cooling results from one energy source than another. If this is true, it indicates the problem is NOT in the cooling unit. Also it says not to use compressed air to blow out the orifice. Clean in alcohol and let it air dry. If anyone would like a copy of the service manual, I'm hosting a copy in my dropbox at this address: https://www.dropbox.com/s/32i0fssts7yrw61/dometic-service-manual%20copy.pdf?dl=0 |
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2018 R-pod 176
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pgoelz
Groupie Joined: 22 Jul 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 12:26pm |
Let me see if I can run through the cleaning steps I used here..... this refers to the RM8501L. And of course, turn the gas and the refrigerator off before you start ;)
1. Remove the screw securing the sheet metal burner cover. 2. Use a 7/16" open end wrench to un-screw the gas pipe nut where it enters the VALVE assembly (NOT the burner). I found that it is safer to remove the burner and pipe as one and disconnect the pipe from the burner in a controlled environment since the orifice is a little piece that fits into the burner and can easily fall out if you remove the pipe from the burner in the fridge recess. 3. Remove the screw securing the burner to the flue and then remove the pipe from the valve. 4. At this point, the igniter and flame sensor are still attached to the burner. Remove the screw securing the igniter bracket and the burner and pipe can now be removed from the fridge enclosure. 5. In a controlled environment (ie., where you can find stuff you drop), disconnect the pipe from the burner block and carefully remove the orifice. The orifice is basically a cupped washer with a tiny hole. The hole is actually a ruby with a hole in it so that it does not erode from the gas passing through it. 6. I used alcohol in an ultrasonic cleaner to clean my orifice. Not sure if you can just soak it and swish it around in a dish and get the same results. I am also not sure what is actually the best solvent to use. I have seen alcohol, carburetor cleaner and soap and water mentioned, but I don't know what we are trying to dissolve.... dust and dirt, or something gummy from the gas? There are plenty of warnings online to NOT use any sort of implement to poke through the orifice, since you can damage the opening. 7. Blow out the pipe with compressed air and also inspect the burner block to make sure nothing has made a home in there..... the burner block is where the gas jet mixes with air and then flows upwards where it ignites. There is plenty of room in there for spiders and critters. 8. Remove screw securing the "T" cap from the top of the flue and remove the cap. Remove the baffle that is suspended in the flue on a bent wire. Pass a small bottle brush through the flue to make sure it is clean and un obstructed. In my case I didn't have a bottle brush so I used a wadded up piece of paper towel and pushed it down with a plastic pushrod. BAD MOVE..... it got stuck half way down and I thought I was in serious trouble for a while. Not sure if there is structure in there or what, but I finally got it to pass all the way through and since it came out intact I figured all was well. Finish off by blowing some compressed air down the flue if you can. 9. Re-assemble and test. My best guess is that stuff sticks to the edges of the orifice and slowly closes it off, gradually reducing the size of the flame. Cleaning restores full flame. I am trying to figure out how to gauge the cooling efficiency. Since there is no indication of when the flame is on and no way to determine what the stabilized duty cycle is, I can't figure out how to tell if I am completely back to normal. But it SEEMS to be normal. Paul
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spydie
Senior Member Joined: 25 Jul 2017 Location: New Mexico Online Status: Offline Posts: 159 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 12:21pm |
I just made a trip to my local RV dealer to see how they are progressing after a week with my new 2018 Rpod refer (which cools fine on AC and DC but runs 5-7 degrees higher on LP). They were able to duplicate my complaint while the Dometic was in the Rpod. But Dometic told them they had to take it out of the Rpod to run the tests, so when they put it in the shop, it's working fine, about 34 degrees only turned up about half way on the temp controller. He said that today he's going to call Dometic back and discuss the mounting in the Rpod. He said the sides were hot when he took it out and that indicates the insulation is packed too tight. He's going to discuss all the mounting problems with them and see if there is some way to increase efficiency. I'll let them have it another week and see if it does any good for me.
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fwunder
Senior Member Joined: 04 Oct 2013 Location: New Jersey Online Status: Offline Posts: 1676 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 12:13pm |
This was my experience about a year ago. Model RM8501. Perhaps the pics might help:
This past weekend, the problem reappeared. Cooled fine on AC, but not on propane. My best guess is that somewhere along the road I got some dirty LP and this is the reason I have had to repeat this procedure several times. Easy to do, but a filter would be better. This AM, I repeated the cleaning above. It's cooling fine now on LP (after about two hours running). This time I am measuring boiler temp with infrared thermo @ top of boiler mantle. Perhaps I can use this temp as a diagnostic tool in the future. Seems to be holding steady @ 280-284. fred
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Wood River Pod
Senior Member Joined: 30 Sep 2016 Location: Wood River, ID Online Status: Offline Posts: 153 |
Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 11:31am |
Paul,
Great to hear that you figured it out and it's working. Way to stick with it! Based on your comment that the Dometic service manual does not do a good job (or no job) of explaining the annual cleaning procedure, would you be willing to please put together a quick run down of what the steps are to clean the burner, orifice and/or other. I personally have no knowledge to take that project on, but I can follow directions very well. I'd even help you to include some pictures along with the steps. Based on all of the comments from your post, I think the community would greatly appreciate the info, and it will be an education for me. I don't think I've seen a post that details the cleaning process in detail. There are a few YouTube videos, but none specifically for the pod model fridge. Send me a PM if you are interested. I think pictures would be most helpful. Thanks Jeff
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