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Topic: Cooked Battery Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 8:00pm |
Plus 1 to all, best solution is a digital voltmeter, I also applied it to a spare circuit in fuse box. I can monitor the charge phases. I have a 178 and mounted the DVM and USB/cig lighter 12v charge adapter, in panel at front of right hand dinette seat. I can see it thru the screen door. I also agree battery monitoring and maintenance is important.
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Mike Carter
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CharlieM
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 5:15pm |
Originally posted by David
Funny but, actually very true. I suspect no two panels are the same, either.
The electric "lights" are, at the very least, as accurate as the tank level sensors. Mankind has yet to find a productive use for those.
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Charlie
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 4:57pm |
Originally posted by CharlieM
I have said this before but it’s worth repeating: The four
LED battery monitor is worse than worthless. No kidding, I’ve seen articles
where the bottom LED illuminates with as little as 6 volts! So my interpretation of the four lights is:
4 lights: The battery is being charged but no indication of
charge or battery condition
3 lights: The battery is not being charged but has some
usable charge
2 lights: Caution, battery is close to being exhausted
1 light: Either I left the battery at home or the one I have
is toast
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Funny but, actually very true. I suspect no two panels are the same, either.
The electric "lights" are, at the very least, as accurate as the tank level sensors. Mankind has yet to find a productive use for those. I suspect that they are relics from the early Mercury space program...back when they were training monkeys to "fly" the capsule. If the monkey pressed the correct button, a light would light and then, he would get a banana. I go into my camper, press a button, a light comes on but, I don't get a banana. I think it is broken.
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CharlieM
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 4:46pm |
Originally posted by Wood River Pod
Charlie M, would you please define "rest". Should I flip my battery cutoff switch, or just make sure the pod has been idle? For how long?Thanks | Technically "rest" means NO charging and NO discharging for "several" hours. Practically you should not charge or put any significant load on it for an hour. That means no lights/fans/pump/radio/TV/furnace/propane WH for that hour. First thing in the morning before you fire up the furnace is a good time. The residual load from the CO detector/ thermostat and fridge control board can be tolerated. With time you'll learn the idiosyncrasies of the battery and get a feel for the method. The important thing is don't let the reading go below 11.9V or so when nothing is running.
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Charlie
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Wood River Pod
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 3:44pm |
I installed an Amazon voltmeter in the lower pantry of our 179. Directly over the power panel, so it was easy to hook up directly to an open circuit and install. The only issue is that I have to open the pantry door to get a reading, but it's not like you need to stare at it all day. Charlie M, would you please define "rest". Should I flip my battery cutoff switch, or just make sure the pod has been idle? For how long? Thanks
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 3:04pm |
Originally posted by Podizzi
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how do you measure battery level if you do not use 4 light system on monitoring panel inside rpod? We were out in our 179 recently and monitor showed 2 lights after 4 nights out so I plugged into running TV and ran it for 15 to 20 minutes and monitor showed 3 lights. We got home 2 days later and plugged into house electric and it recharged to 4 lights pretty quickly. Is there a better way to measure? I am researching generators now (Honda 2000) | There are no stupid questions here, only stupid answers, and we try to minimize those. There are several ways to measure battery charge. The best way is with a hydrometer, but that's somewhat of a hassle for the non purists. The next best way is with a good digital voltmeter connected directly to the battery terminals. Let the battery "rest" for an hour and a fully charged battery should read 12.6V or better. Another method is a wall mounted digital voltmeter inside the camper but connected directly to the power distribution panel (converter panel). Again the resting period is required for accuracy. The least accurate method, excepting the 4 LED thing of course, is a wall mounted meter connected to an existing light or fan circuit. That can work if you're careful to measure when nothing else is operating in the camper and the rest period has elapsed.
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Charlie
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 2:45pm |
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how do you measure battery level if you do not use 4 light system on monitoring panel inside rpod? We were out in our 179 recently and monitor showed 2 lights after 4 nights out so I plugged into running TV and ran it for 15 to 20 minutes and monitor showed 3 lights. We got home 2 days later and plugged into house electric and it recharged to 4 lights pretty quickly. Is there a better way to measure? I am researching generators now (Honda 2000)
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CharlieM
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 2:21pm |
I have said this before but it’s worth repeating: The four
LED battery monitor is worse than worthless. No kidding, I’ve seen articles
where the bottom LED illuminates with as little as 6 volts! So my interpretation of the four lights is:
4 lights: The battery is being charged but no indication of
charge or battery condition
3 lights: The battery is not being charged but has some
usable charge
2 lights: Caution, battery is close to being exhausted
1 light: Either I left the battery at home or the one I have
is toast
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Charlie
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 12:26pm |
Thanks Furpod, I suspected that I may have taken it down below 50% a few times more than just the last 2 times out camping. With the RPod 171 I used the LED battery indicator, and if it shows 1/3 left that is below 50%.
Better wrecked battery than onboard charger. Checked the damaged battery voltage this morning and only reads 12 Volts. Need a battery for this weekend so will give it a slow charge and maybe I'll get a day out of it.
Bob
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Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 10:02am |
"they" are correct. If you took your battery down 11.6 a couple times, you damaged the battery. Lead acid batteries are a pretty well sorted out technology at this point, been around over 150 years...
My guess is sulfation and bridging of the plates, then an internal short. It may, or may not still be an issue.
If you are seeing 13.6v at the leads, then the converter charger is working correctly. I would take the battery to AutoZone and have them load test it.
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