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GlueGuy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2702 |
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Our 2015 has a 3.31 rear axle ratio, and with the 6-speed tranny it is not an issue at all. The engine loafs along at 1500 RPM when we're cruising at 60 MPH, and the engine is super quiet. The only thing I have against it is the engine braking is not quite strong enough. It has not been a problem for us, even in the mountains (it has really large disc brakes all around). However, from what I've read, the hybrid F150 recharges the big battery mainly through regenerative braking, so I suspect that would help in the downhill department.
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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Our F-150 turns off and on at stops in traffic, such as a traffic light. It is so quiet in that fuel saving feature that we hardly notice it when it turns off or starts up again.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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LA, does the 2.7 EB starter have conventional ring gear engagement? Still wondering about that report the hybrid has a belt starter. Doesn’t make much sense to my why a hybrid would need a starter at all.
GG, you can’t depend on regen braking to replace engine braking on a hybrid, the battery is too small (1.5kwh on the F150) and so is the motor/generator (35kw). Also the battery might already be fully charged when you hit the downhill grade. The Prius shifter has a “B” mode which creates engine braking for this purpose. Even pure EV’s can have that problem. There are folks with EVs who live on top of mountains who configure their home charging profile so that there’s “room” in the battery to recover the potential energy when they head downhill. But what if you happen to be fully charged at the top of a long grade? Since EVs have no engine braking if the battery is full they are completely dependent on their friction brakes. That could be a problem although I haven’t heard of issues yet, but there aren’t many folks hauling heavy loads in EVs yet. I suppose it could be solved the way it’s done on diesel/electric locomotives, by dynamic braking where the excess energy is dissipated in a big resistor bank. If EVs had something like that they could probably eventually eliminate friction brakes entirely. As it is most ev drivers do almost all one pedal driving (no friction braking) anyhow. |
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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I assume the the starter is the conventional ring gear system that most internal combustion engines have, but maybe they hid squirrels in there. I really don't know.
In regard to regenerative braking, in old motor/generator elevators they used to burn a lightbulb to deal with the energy captured in the ascent of the elevator. [Contrary to popular belief, the descent is what uses the most energy because the counterweights have to be lifted and they're really heavy.] Maybe electric vehicles can install a giant search light pointing up on the roof of the car to burn off that excess energy from driving down hill.
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GlueGuy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2702 |
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Or maybe add an electric heater for the cabin to dump excess energy to? (might be a problem in the summer... Hrmmm)
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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I think the reason a light bulb would work for an elevator is because the weights are pretty well balanced so there is very little energy wasted either going up or down.
I ran the numbers and one of our rigs weighing around 9000 lbs is going to produce around 10kwh of energy going down a 3000 ft mountain. A practical EV that could tow a trailer a reasonable distance would need around 200 kWh of batteries anyway so that’s only 5% of battery capacity. Pretty easy just to only charge to 90-95% to have enough headroom. Assuming 60 mph on a typical 6% freeway grade you would take 10 minutes to make that descent so you would need a 60kw light bulb or car heater if you did it that way. You would either be blinded or cooked alive I think ![]() OTOH all the new EV trucks will have upwards of 400-500 hp (300-400 kw) motor/generators so no problem for them to suck up 60kw. |
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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If I recall correctly, though it's been a while since I retired, the car weighs 60% of the weight of the counterweights. It's balanced when the car's full, but it is a little less so when traveling up and down relatively empty. It's too bad they couldn't have used those extra electrons to charge some batteries.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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Looks like such energy recovery systems are available, but they use ultracaps not batteries. Capacitors are probably a better option, there’s not that much energy involved, but the short term power flow is relatively high.
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