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Topic: Newbie looking at purchase and vehicles
Posted By: neptune1
Subject: Newbie looking at purchase and vehicles
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 10:13pm
Hi all, new here and glad to be here. My wife and I are looking towards buying a Rpod Forest River-178 (20ft, 2600-2800 lbs) . 

What I have a question for is. We are looking for a smaller truck, Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon, for example. Something with better gas mileage than a full size truck. We are downsizing and are only going to have the one vehicle. 

Any ideas on a good smaller truck or SUV that can easily tow but still get decent gas? I know towing will cut down the mileage but want to make a good choice. 

Thanks in advance...



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Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:07am
As you said, while towing your mpg will be low. Anywhere from 10 - 15 mpg. One consideration for a tow vehicle is size of gas tank. Most any small truck Tacoma, frontier, ranger etc. will pull the 178 with plenty to spare. I think the mileage is all the same-ish between them. Probably get around 20 mpg avg not towing. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:21am
Hello and welcome!

For a 178, a mid-sized truck such as the ones you mention would work okay. I am towing a 179 with a Nissan Frontier. The only time that it is an issue is when we are at higher elevations where the naturally aspirated engine does not have the same power as at lower elevations. If the vehicle you are considering is turbocharged, that will make a big difference. However, you may find that you need to use premium fuel. 

If you are considering an SUV, something like a Ford Expedition or equivalent would work. Don't consider anything that does not have at least a 5,000 lb tow rating. You can use one with a 3500 lb tow rating. I did so for a while. I would not recommend it though. By the time you finish loading the 178 for travel, it will be reaching or exceeding the 3500 lbs.

Whatever mileage rating the vehicle has, automatically assume it will get about half of that while towing. If you can find a Colorado with a Diesel engine, that would be great and would likely give you better mileage. However, you might not recoup the additional cost of the vehicle in fuel savings. The thing that helps most in mileage is to slow down. The big thing about towing is the frontal area and wind resistance. The faster you go, the more fuel it takes to push through the air. I found that towing no faster than 60 mph is a good compromise between wanting to get there and getting acceptable mileage. Plus, many states have towing speed limits that are 55 or 60 mph. In addition, the tires do better since some really should not be driven past 65 mph, especially the load range C tires. One other benefit to slowing down is that you will arrive much more relaxed. It won't be the white-knuckle experience that towing at 70+ mph can be.

We are happy with the 2010 Frontier (6100 lb tow rating) we have. It does not get the greatest mileage. Newer vehicles that have more gears in the transmission and newer technology engines will likely give you better mileage than we get. I would not mind getting a full-sized pickup such as an F-150 or equivalent, but it is hard to beat 'paid for.'


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 8:03am
+1 to StephenH. 5000 lbs min tow rating/500 hitch rating for that trailer.

Ignore the trailer empty weight spec, it is meaningless. My 179 has a stated empty weight of around 2700 but in reality weighs about 3700 loaded, with 500 on the tongue. Use the max gross weight of the trailer instead, you will be closer to that than to the empty weight, and about 13% of that should be on the tongue. Why 13%? Minimum is 10% and recommended range is 10-15%. But the hitch load varies depending on your loading and how much water is in which tank, so 13% is a nice midpoint.

The tow vehicle ratings assume only a driver and no passengers or cargo are in the vehicle. Of course that is far from reality. And then you have to ask yourself how close to the manufacturer’s limits you want to be operating on a daily basis.

If you plan on boon docking you might want to go a bit higher still. You will be carrying water, dual batteries, a second propane cylinder, a generator possibly, more gear. We boondock almost exclusively and my 5000 lb rated Highlander still has some headroom on trailer weight, none on hitch weight, and we pack light and only take the necessities. No kayaks, bicycles, big grills, tents, picnic tables, extra passengers, etc.

SUV vs pickup is a personal choice based on what else you want to do with the vehicle. Either can work for you. Diesel vs gasoline is the same. Don’t get diesel because of the better mpg. Its a different fuel so that’s a false comparison. Diesel is a heavier hydrocarbon which higher energy content per gallon, and costs more per gallon too. As StephenH points out, around a 29 gal fuel tank is needed. You will wind up around 13-14 mpg towing at 60 mph on flat ground with no wind, regardless of what you tow with, everybody does. It’s the air drag from that big box, so the only way to improve that is to slow down (or wait for a tail wind).

Finally, unless you get a tow vehicle with a high hitch rating, say around 700 lbs or more, plan on getting a weight distribution hitch to put some of that hitch weight back only the tow vehicle front axle.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 8:16am
We've been very happy with our F-150 with the tiny 2.7 ecoboost engine.  It has plenty of power for the kind of trailer you're contemplating.  It gets very good mileage both towing and not. We just returned from a trip to/from the SF Bay Area traveling over Carson Pass [8,652'] and got 14.2 mpg despite having extra weight on the way home in the form of a rescued Shop Smith and it's accessories.  Typically around Dayton, NV we get between 23.8 and 24.2 mpg, depending on my foot and the wind.

Besides pretty decent mileage for a pickup, the turboboost truly flattens the mountains.  Not once did I feel the need for more power going over Carson Pass.  The down side is you have less engine breaking on the steep down grades which takes a little anticipatory planning so your speed doesn't creep up on you and require braking.  

The same engine is available in the Ranger series but when we compared the two trucks, we found the F-150 to be enough roomier and more comfortable, without a sacrifice of economy, that we opted for the full size version.

There are a lot of capable trucks on the market.  It's just a matter of matching your personal preferences and the trailer you plan to pull [and may want to pull in the future] to the truck.  Best of luck in your search.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: neptune1
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 9:14am
thanks eveyone for your thoughts/ideas and input, very much appreciated. I'm kinda surprised by the not so good gas mileage when these trailers are much lighter than the older ones. I remember our older 20 foot Kit trailer from the 90's with our full size Chev pickup got about the same gas mileage as what was said here from folks here and other forums. Maybe we need to go back to tent camping LOL...

As for size of truck, my wife isn't really keen on driving or getting in and out of a full size truck, actually Im not either, we are downsizing to just the one truck and she is shorter than I am and has a bad knee. 

Thanks again and if you have any other thoughts please let me know. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 10:30am
Weight (in the form of rolling resistance) only accounts for about 1/3 of total power demand towing an rpod sized trailer at highway speed. The vast majority is wind drag. So being lighter doesn’t help that much for fuel use, at least on flat ground. It does help a lot for tow vehicle handling. If you want better mileage then you should get a tent trailer or a HiLo, or a little teardrop, something with less drag. Or just drive slow, even 5 mph makes a big difference.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 10:35am
Among the good choices in the mid-size trucks and SUVs, you should also consider your local dealers, warranties, etc. If you settle on SUV-XYZ, but the nearest dealership for that brand is 150 miles away, it might be worth looking at SUV-ABC because you can get one for not much more money and only have a 20 minute drive to the dealership. 

Just another factor to consider.




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: Ricktoon
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 11:18am
We tow our 2021 R-pod 196 with a 2019 Chevy Colorado with the tow package. Be sure to get the tow package with whatever vehicle you decide on. You want the trailer braker controller, etc.  The Colorado has a 7,000 pound tow capacity so we have some safety margin even with a loaded trailer and stuff in the bed of the truck. We generally carry bicycles in the bed of the truck along with a spare propane tank, etc. We also use a WDH hitch to add another margin of safety. We get 12-14 mpg when towing and up to 30 mpg without the R-pod on the back. Wind and drag are the biggest impact and we try to keep it at 65 mph on major highways. We are are also higher up in Montana which impacts mileage.
Any of the smaller trucks should work. We got the Colorado because my wife could get in it without running boards. Try them out and have both of you drive it before deciding.


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Rick and Ellen B
2019 Chevy Colorado
2021 Rpod 196


Posted By: neptune1
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 2:32pm
hi Rick, now that's exactly the information we're looking for...thank you. We are looking at the Colorado and see that the 3.6 Litter has a tow weight of 7500. 

Can I ask, what is the difference in buying a truck with a tow package versus having the correct hitch and electric brake system installed yourself by a dealer or shop?


Posted By: Ricktoon
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 3:05pm
You get an on dash brake adjustment and display shows how much braking you have set. I think there might either features but check with dealer. 7 pin connector and factory hitch included.

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Rick and Ellen B
2019 Chevy Colorado
2021 Rpod 196


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 3:17pm
There is usually more to the tow package than just the brake controller and 7-way receptacle on the rear bumper. Often you will have towing (or extendable) mirrors, a heavier duty cooling system, and maybe, a shorter final drive ratio. Most of these vehicles intended for towing will already have the tow/haul switch.

Sometimes you will get heavy duty shocks and/or springs and maybe a better, more aggressive set of tires. On the higher end vehicles you will often see an enhanced camera system and possibly 'trailer memories'. On the really high-end vehicles I have seen a sort of automated 'semi hands-free' trailer backing system. 

It all depends on the specs of the particular vehicle and the manufacturers options.




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 3:24pm
A higher capacity alternator is also a common upgrade in a tow package. It all depends on the manufacturer. My Highlander’s tow package included a high capacity radiator, extra cooling fan, oil cooler, and higher output alternator. But not a 7 way connector, brake controller, or receiver.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 4:01pm
2016 Chevy Colorado, non-4WD, Z71 the towing package consisted of - trans cooler - differential change - towing mode in tranny - hitch - wiring. 4 and 7 pin.  I had to add brake controller.  In my 2014 Silverado Z71, 4WD, all the above and it had an integrated brake controller.  If that helps.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 10:24am
+1

The factory tow package is generally far more than just the hitch. In our case (2015 F150), it included upgraded suspension, wiring for the 7-pin, transmission cooler. Ours did not come with the integrated brake controller, but it was wired for it. In retrospect, getting the brake controller from the factory would have been the preferred option.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 3:47pm
Ours included in the tow package all of what GlueGuy got plus the brake controller and a back-up system that you steer with a little knob instead of the steering wheel.  As it's turned out, I haven't used the back-up system much.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by lostagain

Ours included in the tow package all of what GlueGuy got plus the brake controller and a back-up system that you steer with a little knob instead of the steering wheel.  As it's turned out, I haven't used the back-up system much.  


LA, can you elaborate a little on your take on Ford’s backup system? Does not using it mean the backup system doesn’t work or did you just not need it because you’re already up to speed on backing? Do you think it would be more beneficial to a new trailer owner or become a crutch that would slow down their learning curve?

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 11:09pm
I don't really mind backing up the trailer myself.  I have to back the trailer through a gate that is about 9'6" wide so it's a tight squeeze, and dodge a fire hydrant on the way to the gate.  I've used the back up system for that a few times, but the sharp turn from the street to the yard entry on up and over a rolled curb twists things enough that the back up target sometimes gets lost.  

The back up system uses a checkerboard target on the trailer tongue.  It works really well when the target stays in sight.  But when it looses the target usually due to an uneven surface combined with a sharp turn, it gets lost and you have to either pull forward until the target is relocated or just do it manually.  In as much as I am a devout Luddite, I'd just as soon do it myself the old fashioned way.

Here is a video of the back up system:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tby3A29osDg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tby3A29osDg


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 11:38pm
Our Tacoma with tow package did just fine with our 179 and does acceptably well with the 195 except in a strong head wind. You might experience the same thing in the Colorado, but you'll probably be more comfortable maxed out at 50 - 55 mph on an 80 mph freeway. Those GM seats are nice and probably don't suck up as far as the Toyota seats with trucks blowing by. Keep an eye on the weather and be ready to pull off the road for a day or so if need be. In the years we've been RVing across the west it only happened once but that was an unforgettable experience. IMHO your choice of tow vehicles is a good one as long as you get the factory tow package feature. Welcome to the party!


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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 8:30am
Thanks LA. So the takeaway is the Ford backup feature might help new owners get started on more or less straight backing maneuvers but won’t be of much help backing around sharper turns. For me the latter would be the main benefit, backing with small directional changes doesn’t pose a problem. I tend to misjudge when to start and end a sharper 90 deg or so turn turn, maybe because I have a couple trailers with pretty different lengths. Guess I’m not buying a new tow vehicle with a fancy backup feature that I can’t afford anyway.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 8:37am
The Ford backup assist looks interesting, but I think the Hensley Cub hitch I have would likely confuse it because of the way the hitch articulates.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 9:14am
OG, the back up system can be programed for several trailers of varying lengths.  You just go through the programming steps for each and each gets its own sticker on the tongue.  I never paid attention to the back up system when we made the decision to buy the truck.  I just asked for the towing package option thinking about the receiver, brake controller, heavy duty transmission cooler [it has a temp gauge for the tranny], and the bargeman plug.  The rest of the purchase was a matter of negotiating the price for a truck that fit our towing needs.  

It works pretty well on flat ground, even at relatively sharp turns, but it's that rolled curb with an uneven surface the rest of the way to the gate that causes me problems.  In a parking lot, you could drive around backwards all day if you liked and would have no problem with moderately sharp turns.  Using it is also a function of getting used to steering with that little knob.  Like I say, I'm a Luddite and learning new technology tricks for this old dawg is always challenging.

If the back up system was sold as a costly separate option on its own, for my purposes I wouldn't bother with it. 


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 10:40am
Tks LA. Might take a look at it when the hybrid f150’s come out. That’s an interesting vehicle with the built in inverter/generator system to run the trailer electrical.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 11:33am
I could be mistaken, and usually am, but I think the F-150 hybrid is on sale now.  I saw the EPA mileage number for it and I'm getting right almost the same mileage with my current truck.  The generator would be nice, though.  Sure beats lugging one around in the back of the truck.  I don't want to think about the price tag.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 11:49am
LA is right. That hybrid F150 is available now. The hybrid option is one thing that could move me to replace our 2015. It would be a tough act to follow, because the 2015 has been absolutely marvelous for us. My current thinking is to let the hybrid version mature for a year or two, and avoid early-adopter issues.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 12:31pm
+1 to Glue Guy regarding a replacement in a few years.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: neptune1
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 12:39pm
A quick question....

When you are looking for a vehice to tow your Trailer, what gear ratio is adequate?     

Thanks in Advance.....


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 3:57pm
With the new auto trannys with 6 to 10 speeds it really doesn’t matter so much what the final drive ratio is. The system will pick the right overall gear ratio. Back in the days of 3 and 4 speed transmissions it was a lot more important.

I’m not actually considering buying a hybrid f150, I prefer SUVs anyway. Just seems like an interesting vehicle so when one shows up at the local Ford shop I might run over and check it out. As for fuel economy, hybrids provide the most benefit in stop and go traffic. Highway driving is as we all know governed by air drag so the hybrid drive is not going to make a huge difference.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 6:07pm
Neptune1 - I wouldn't be as concerned about gear ratio as I would tow capacity.  For years gear ratio has had a direct effect on tow capacity, however OG is right, these new trans with tow options and mulitiple gears have nearly eliminated rear end gear ratio as a factor. The OEMs will use a standard gear.  If your TV was a 1972 Ford Ranger F150 with  a 4 speed and a 360 motor, that rear end might be a option.  Now days find a capable tow capacity.

BTW - the power converter is an option on Fords other than Hybrids.  My understanding is it is standard on Hybrids.


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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 4:46am
The difference between having a power inverter on a conventional ICE and having one on a hybrid is a big one. On a hybrid the inverter can operate from the battery pack allowing the ICE to cycle on an off as needed, reducing noise, fuel use, and wear and tear. On the conventional drivetrain the engine has to run continuously.

For example if I leave my Prius on with it’s a/c (which is electric not belt driven) running the engine cycles on and off but the a/c continues to run. I’ve used that feature often to keep my dogs from overheating while parked at a store or restaurant. Much better than having to leave your engine idle for long periods, at least for me.

The article I read on the Ford Pro Power inverter is that it does run from the high voltage hybrid battery pack and will allow the ICE to cycle off at output levels below 2.4kw.(there are 120V 2.4kw and a 240V 7.2 kw versions). For loads above that the engine stays on. But 2.4kw ought to be fine for an RPod, although you might still need an Easystart on the a/c to keep its startup load low enough that the ICE doesn’t startup every time the a/c compressor starts. One of the things it would be interesting to find out.

Another is just how noisy is the engine operating cycle in the F150 hybrid. In a Prius you barely notice the engine starting and operating (the big electric motor kicks it on instantly, there is no conventional starter and ring gear engagement noise) so if the F150 Hybrid is similarly quiet so could avoid annoying your camping neighbors and running afoul of campground quiet hour rules. Apparently the F150 hybrid still has a starter motor which is on a belt drive, which seems weird and unnecessary considering there is a 35kw motor in there but might be fine. Some of this kind of stuff you just have to see and hear for yourself.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 1:21pm
Our 2015 has a 3.31 rear axle ratio, and with the 6-speed tranny it is not an issue at all. The engine loafs along at 1500 RPM when we're cruising at 60 MPH, and the engine is super quiet. The only thing I have against it is the engine braking is not quite strong enough. It has not been a problem for us, even in the mountains (it has really large disc brakes all around). However, from what I've read, the hybrid F150 recharges the big battery mainly through regenerative braking, so I suspect that would help in the downhill department. 

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 2:23pm
Our F-150 turns off and on at stops in traffic, such as a traffic light.  It is so quiet in that fuel saving feature that we hardly notice it when it turns off or starts up again.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 6:33am
LA, does the 2.7 EB starter have conventional ring gear engagement? Still wondering about that report the hybrid has a belt starter. Doesn’t make much sense to my why a hybrid would need a starter at all.

GG, you can’t depend on regen braking to replace engine braking on a hybrid, the battery is too small (1.5kwh on the F150) and so is the motor/generator (35kw). Also the battery might already be fully charged when you hit the downhill grade. The Prius shifter has a “B” mode which creates engine braking for this purpose.

Even pure EV’s can have that problem. There are folks with EVs who live on top of mountains who configure their home charging profile so that there’s “room” in the battery to recover the potential energy when they head downhill. But what if you happen to be fully charged at the top of a long grade? Since EVs have no engine braking if the battery is full they are completely dependent on their friction brakes. That could be a problem although I haven’t heard of issues yet, but there aren’t many folks hauling heavy loads in EVs yet. I suppose it could be solved the way it’s done on diesel/electric locomotives, by dynamic braking where the excess energy is dissipated in a big resistor bank. If EVs had something like that they could probably eventually eliminate friction brakes entirely. As it is most ev drivers do almost all one pedal driving (no friction braking) anyhow.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 7:58am
I assume the the starter is the conventional ring gear system that most internal combustion engines have, but maybe they hid squirrels in there.  I really don't know.

In regard to regenerative braking, in old motor/generator elevators they used to burn a lightbulb to deal with the energy captured in the ascent of the elevator.  [Contrary to popular belief, the descent is what uses the most energy because the counterweights have to be lifted and they're really heavy.]  Maybe electric vehicles can install a giant search light pointing up on the roof of the car to burn off that excess energy from driving down hill.  Confused


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 10:42am
Originally posted by lostagain

Maybe electric vehicles can install a giant search light pointing up on the roof of the car to burn off that excess energy from driving down hill.  Confused

Or maybe add an electric heater for the cabin to dump excess energy to? (might be a problem in the summer... Hrmmm)


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 4:01pm
I think the reason a light bulb would work for an elevator is because the weights are pretty well balanced so there is very little energy wasted either going up or down.

I ran the numbers and one of our rigs weighing around 9000 lbs is going to produce around 10kwh of energy going down a 3000 ft mountain. A practical EV that could tow a trailer a reasonable distance would need around 200 kWh of batteries anyway so that’s only 5% of battery capacity. Pretty easy just to only charge to 90-95% to have enough headroom.

Assuming 60 mph on a typical 6% freeway grade you would take 10 minutes to make that descent so you would need a 60kw light bulb or car heater if you did it that way. You would either be blinded or cooked alive I think

OTOH all the new EV trucks will have upwards of 400-500 hp (300-400 kw) motor/generators so no problem for them to suck up 60kw.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 4:33pm
If I recall correctly, though it's been a while since I retired, the car weighs 60% of the weight of the counterweights.  It's balanced when the car's full, but it is a little less so when traveling up and down relatively empty.  It's too bad they couldn't have used those extra electrons to charge some batteries.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 7:06pm
Looks like such energy recovery systems are available, but they use ultracaps not batteries. Capacitors are probably a better option, there’s not that much energy involved, but the short term power flow is relatively high.


https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/1188159/191220_ElevatorKERS_Case_Study.pdf - Elevator

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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