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    Posted: 05 Feb 2019 at 10:21am
What about something like this with the push-button breaker?

The idea would be to make it something like this:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2019 at 9:46am
StephenH, it looks like either of those would work for the application. I saw an inline fuse and fuse holder that would work as well, about the same $$, but the breakers would be more convenient. The challenge is going to be the enclosure as you say. You’d probably want a NEMA 4X rating on that, and a clear cover would be handy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2019 at 9:14am
I have been looking for possibilities. I am waiting on an answer from West Marine's technical support on this. I am looking at two models of breakers that might be a cost-effective way to build in to an adapter.
What do you think of these? Do you think a cost-effective dog-bone adapter could be fabricated using one of these? The hardest part would be to fabricate a small box that could go inline into which one could be installed. The Medium-Duty Push-Button Reset-Only breaker would likely be the easier of the two to work with although it is more expensive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 4:44pm
StephenH, thank you. I have no issues whatever with your conclusion and I was not at all referring to any of your posts in my earlier one. 

I don't know of a low cost solution for an inline breaker either. If I ever come across one I'll let you know, but I doubt it can be done at that kind of price point. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 12:35pm

What serves readers of the board is informed fact-based information that can affect rPod owners.  Opinions based on incomplete knowledge, ill founded beliefs, and, on occasion, personal prejudice that one’s preferences are the best while others are just plain wrong, don't serve the readership.

 

Mike, who anointed you to be the arbiter of whose posts are written with the intention share helpful information and who is on an ego trip?  Where did you acquire the clairvoyant powers to enter the mind of other contributors and divine their innermost intentions?  Why is it that when you disagree with what others say, instead of challenging the facts, you react with dismissiveness and hostility?  No one obliged to read any thread or post.  If you don’t want to participate in the conversation, just skip the thread and let others be the judge of what they want to read or write about.  If no one is interested, the thread will die a natural death.

 

Do you disagree with what I said about the law of civil liability as it applies to responsibility for taking known risks?  Please, sir, correct me.  I am open to hearing other views and welcome your alternative facts.  I would love to be proven wrong.

 

Do you think the engineers who commented in this thread were wrong?  If so, show us your calculations and your science-based analysis.  Show us where their assessment that high enough impedance could occur using a 50/30A dogbone to start a fire is erroneous.  Show us facts that refute Forest River’s decision to warn against the use of such an unprotected dogbone.  If I recall correctly, in an earlier post you conceded the correctness of the engineers’ analysis.  Indeed, if we had to pay for all the free engineering advice they have graciously shared, whether on electrical issues, brakes, axle loading, trailer balance, etc. we would be broke.  We owe these guys a debt of gratitude, not accusations that they are doing this to show off.

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Offgrid, I appreciate the information you provided in this thread. While I will still use a dog bone if I encounter a situation where the only choice is a 50A connection, I will do so knowing that there is some risk and to make sure my RPod's wiring is in good shape so that that risk can be minimized.

If I can find an adapter with a 30A circuit breaker, I would prefer to get that. However, a reasonably priced adapter so equipped is not available AFAIK. If someone finds one at a reasonable price for something that would likely be used very infrequently, I would buy one. I can purchase a 50A to 30A adapter for $12.95 (Amazon Prime). It would be worth spending more on one if  it had a 30A breaker, but not that much more. In the three years we have had our RPod, I have only had to use an adapter once. It would not make sense to spend over a hundred dollars on something that may only be used once every few years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 7:23am
I believe I explained why I felt it was important for me to participate in this thread. 

I sometimes have my own opinions of other members' motivations but I keep them to myself, and I don't appreciate other members offering up their opinions about mine. If you don't like my posts you are under no obligation to read them. 

Personal attacks should have no place in this forum. Not impressive. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 3:58pm
Thank You Furpod and +1 Tars. If this is what we have to look forward to, this forum serves no purpose but a few individuals who want to ensure we all know how gifted they are. Repeatedly. Not impressive.
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Gentlemen, I know it's winter, few are here, and there isn't much camping content to post up, so we are getting anxious to talk/discuss/argue ANYTHING camper/camping related.

Let's try to let this thread go..

Go do mods or something and start some new threads.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 2:31pm
Tars, we disagree.  I would say "respectfully" disagree but really that is a pejorative use that implies the other person is full of baloney, which you are certainly not.  

Three points:
1.  My intent is far from intending to be condescending regarding the use of the 50/30A dogbone but to be informative.  If you don't like the outcome, then you are certainly free to so as you please.  But at least you are now aware that the risk is a tad bit greater than you may have previously thought.

2.  I really don't care if you choose to use a dogbone and burn up your trailer and sustain a financial loss. [Well actually I do, but not a lot.]  But you are really wrong in your statement that if you cause some kind of a disaster from it's use "you'll suffer the consequences" as though the other people are not relevant to the equation.  In the last two years, over 100 people lost their lives and thousands lost everything they had because of runaway electric fires that wiped out California towns.  [We were camping in Calistoga in our Pod the day the Tubbs fire started.]  It is the victims of those fires who worry me far more than you or what ever you will suffer.  And it is not condescending to say there is a snowball's chance in hell  you would have the resources to help even one of these victims.  In other words, Tars, you aren't taking a risk just for yourself, you are risking the lives of others in spite of a manufacturer's warning; with a risk of a nearly unimaginable order of magnitude.  Please don't come to our western forests and use your 50/30A dogbone.

3.  As for who may or may not be following this thread.  I really don't know who reads it.  It is obvious who has written in it, but I don't believe there is a total read count available.  So if my cautions and the cautions of others who are informed on this issue stop someone from accidentally starting a fire, it was time well spent.  
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