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techntrek
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Topic: Honda EU2000 Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:49am |
The difference on the fuel cutoffs is the Yamaha has a manual switch which allows you to run the carb dry. The Honda has an electric cutoff which is only activated when you turn the genset off, so the carb doesn't run dry first. You can modify the unit to allow the fuel shutoff to be operated separately - but then you are getting into warranty issues if you have a problem.
If you'll be storing the genset for a while you need to run the carb dry to prevent varnish and water buildup in the carb. The ethanol in modern gasoline is notorious for both. That said, you should run any small engine at least once a month for 15 minutes to keep the seals lubed, some generator heads (the part that makes the electric) can have issues if left to sit too long, and to boil off any moisture in the crankcase. So it may make more sense no matter what the brand to just add a few ounces of gas, start it up and let it run until the tank is empty. That satisfies all of the above.
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Sleepless
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Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:07am |
Good information, Doug. Here in Florida, we go one step further. When some people started having problems with ethanol, we all started using fuel stabilizer in the fuel for all of our equipment we did not use every day. I always added it to my outboard motor fuel since my boat has a 17 gallon tank which is enough to last me for a month or more. With the stabilizer, I have had no problems with the outboard, chain saw, or any other items not used on a frequent basis.
My only ethanol problem has been with my large generator used for backup during power outages. This season we have had no hurricanes, and I often forget to exercise it regularly. With a fuel stabilizer, no problems this season. I do shut off the gas and run the carburetor dry after exercising it.
Bob
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techntrek
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Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 7:49pm |
I've been using Stabil for a couple of years now, I store several 5 gallon cans year-round as an emergency supply. No issues rotating it once a year but I discovered something odd this summer. The Yamaha genset I bought this spring will start on the first pull. I rotate my gas supply in July so in June I put some of that gas in the Yamaha. Suddenly it took 8 pulls to get it going. Once running it ran fine. I didn't know why it changed until I put fresh gas in it. It went back to starting on the first pull. So in general Stabil may keep gas usable but it is not perfect. I'm considering rotating my supply every 6 months now.
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Sleepless
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Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 8:03pm |
Originally posted by techntrek
I've been using Stabil for a couple of years now, I store several 5 gallon cans year-round as an emergency supply. No issues rotating it once a year but I discovered something odd this summer. The Yamaha genset I bought this spring will start on the first pull. I rotate my gas supply in July so in June I put some of that gas in the Yamaha. Suddenly it took 8 pulls to get it going. Once running it ran fine. I didn't know why it changed until I put fresh gas in it. It went back to starting on the first pull. So in general Stabil may keep gas usable but it is not perfect. I'm considering rotating my supply every 6 months now. |
You are right about Stabil. I belong to a few local area fishing clubs and the consensus is that Marine Stabil is somewhat better than the standard Stabil. But, as you said, it is not perfect. We have found that ethanol affects our older engines in yet another way. It will deteriorate rubber fuel lines over time. I still have my old 1750 watt Coleman PowerMate which I bought to power a small Coleman A/C unit I installed in a 1979 Toyota motor home. After changing to synthetic fuel lines, it once again ran like new, even after setting for a year or so with "Stabil" fuel. It is definitely better than not using anything. Bob
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furpod
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Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 8:41pm |
Try PRI-G. It's way better than stabil in my opinion..
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Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:26pm |
Had a DRZ400 supermoto and was warned about using regular Stabil. Think the rationale was that it didn't really protect against the ethanol and the Marine Stabil was the way to go as it provided protection from the ethanol. Worked for me. Left the bike up for 8 months and it started up first push of the starter.
Anyway back to the gennie. Looks like the Queen of the castle has put the Kaibosh on it till next season. Stated it would just end up sitting over the winter anyway. Rational, I guess. I put my foot down, and said, "yes dear, next year it is." Because I am the King, right? Bummer, thougth i was getting a new toy.
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techntrek
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Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 7:48am |
If you don't have a backup in case you lose electricity due to a snow or ice storm up there, that would be my rationale for buying now...
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Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 10:22am |
I'm going to play that card tonight. Lol.
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techntrek
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Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 2:53pm |
Luckily I had no problem selling the idea to my wife. When we moved in to our current house neighbors had stories of being w/o power for weeks after an ice storm. Then we lost power every month for the first 6 months including in the middle of an open house we hosted for everyone on our road. Half the food we bought was never served because most needed an oven (ours is electric) and the stuff we put on the grill never got cooked because we immediately ran out of propane!
We got a whole-house genset within a few months of that, and had the grill hooked up to the same 500 gallon LPG tank at the same time. I have two more backups now, too. Both of them are a lot cheaper to operate than the big genset during long outages.
Oh, and after getting that big genset we didn't lose power again for 2 years...
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Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 7:59pm |
For what it's worth: I have a Honda 2000w generator from 1983. Still starts on the first pull. All my friends borrow it for their power outages. Not a camper model - but reliable. If we do get one for the r-pod, my wife says it has to be a Honda.
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Larry and Debbie w/Rosie the mutt. Old: '13 177, '06 Silverado V6
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