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    Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 9:24am
Originally posted by pedwards2932

I thank you for your input on the Escape as you have real world experience.  It sounds like the conditions you were towing in with your Escape would have been a challenge with any TV.  I guess what a lot of folks don't take into account is looking into another TV was going to cost me about $10,000 and then I would have a vehicle that would get significantly worse mileage when not trailering.  I get about 27 mpg on highway and 21-22 around town.  Would a WDH provide any measure of stability assist?

There are certainly conditions that would challenge any rig, but the more marginal the setup the more likely that is to occur. In many cases we can avoid those situations by choosing to wait until conditions improve, but often surprises happen. 

The other consideration with a marginal rig is lack of flexibility in the form or reserve capacity if the mission changes and say one wants to do a little boon docking or carry a couple extra passengers. 

I too have towed for many years and originally thought that I might tow an rPod with a 3500 lb rated vehicle. I would have been overweight. Being a Toyota guy, I was looking at a Rav4 and got the Highlander instead.  Cost is certainly an major consideration for me and most of us on this forum. If it wasn't we would probably be driving around in much more elaborate dedicated RV's. I couldn't handle a $10K cost difference either, so I buy used vehicles so the cost difference is not much. The Highlander gets a couple less highway mpg than the Rav with the same drive train not towing, there's wouldn't be any measurable difference towing because towing fuel consumption is dominated by the trailer air friction.

For sure a wdh will help improve rig stability, including sway stability. When you hang a trailer on the back of a TV it unloads the front axle. That is especially true for a compact vehicle with a short wheelbase.  Resistance to sliding is proportional to weight and the front axle is your steering control and has the best brakes on the rig, so taking load off it reduces its ability to control the rig. The wdh puts the weight back where its supposed to be. The problem with a wdh is that that load redistribution is not constant, it depends on the road being flat. If you say drive over a high spot the wdh loses tension and load shifts back to the rear TV axle from the front. That's why wdh's generally don't increase tow capacity. But they do help ride, handling, and braking.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 7:05am
I thank you for your input on the Escape as you have real world experience.  It sounds like the conditions you were towing in with your Escape would have been a challenge with any TV.  I guess what a lot of folks don't take into account is looking into another TV was going to cost me about $10,000 and then I would have a vehicle that would get significantly worse mileage when not trailering.  I get about 27 mpg on highway and 21-22 around town.  Would a WDH provide any measure of stability assist?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2020 at 6:48am
From Ford:  Model (Option Code) (536)(1) Trailer Wiring Harness (4-Pin) X Hitch Receiver X Trailer Sway Control X (1) Available with 2.0L EcoBoost® I4 only. Available as dealer accessory with 2.5L I4 engine and 1.5L EcoBoost® I4 engine (I have the 2.0L w Ecoboost)
I think the Sway Control is varies to power to each wheel to control sway with brakes.
I had the brake controller professionally installed as running the wires on the car would be a total pain without a lift.
I was in the foothills of Penn and VA as I didn't want to take I95 around DC so it was hilly but no wind. The Aeroplus looks interesting.  I don't have racks on my Escape so I guess I'd have to add them as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2020 at 11:36pm
Okay. You must have been on flat land and had a tailwind. The best I ever got was about 16 mpg. With a headwind, it was more like 12-13 mpg. As for anti-sway, are you talking vehicle stability control or an actual brake controller for the trailer brakes? Unless Ford has changed things dramatically, the Escape did not come with a brake controller. I had to run the wiring myself for the one I installed. It wasn't fun. If you don't have a brake controller, you need one before you tow again to be legal. As for anti-sway, the Escape I had did have stability control, but not trailer anti-sway. If it has it, it still only controls the vehicle's brakes, not the trailer brakes. The last thing you need is to be passed by the back end of your trailer while you are trying to slow down. I've been there and it isn't pleasant. (see http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9133&PID=86002&title=i-wrecked-our-escapod#86002 ).

I was always impressed with the power of the 2L Ecoboost engine. I am sure the newer ones have more improvements. That probably explains the 16 mpg. It wasn't until I installed the Purpleline AeroPlus on ours before I saw 16 mpg while towing, and that was only if we did not have a headwind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2020 at 11:04pm
It is the factory tow package hitch with anti-sway and transmission cooler.  I never go over 60 towing especially with a single axle....I have been pulling trailers for 50 years.  My main concern with this was getting the tongue weight into specs.  I will make sure the trailer weight works as well.  I was burning premium but I was getting 16mpg so it wasn't so bad and it towed nicely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2020 at 10:09pm
Okay. I towed our 179 with a 2016 Ford Escape SE until we hit ice with a crosswind. Now I tow with a 2010 Nissan Frontier LE 4x4. I did use an Equal-i-zer hitch with it. While it can be done, the vehicle is marginal for the task. Don't exceed 60 mph if you don't want to stop every 100 miles for premium gasoline. If you have a stiff headwind, it is like towing faster, and your mileage will drop. I used a Purpleline AeroPlus wind deflector with the Escape. It worked well, and it did help with the mileage. It doesn't help with the Frontier though as it sits too far ahead of the trailer to do any good. You can see it if you look at my early mods pictures.

Since I have no idea where you live, I don't know if you would be close enough that it would be practical for you to get the AeroPlus that I have. I was going to take it to the FROG rally this past summer, but that got cancelled. Ultimately, you do need a tow vehicle with both a higher tow rating and a proper Class 3 hitch and a larger gas tank. Did your Escape come with the factory tow package? The 3,500 lb rating is for that. If it is an aftermarket hitch, then it does not have the 3,500 lb rating. It would also lack the transmission cooler which is very important, especially if you have to climb some long mountain slopes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2020 at 9:32pm
Checked in Ford Escape Manual on towing and it can handle 350 lb tongue weight.   I can balance it to get that just by getting rid of one of the #30 tanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2020 at 9:03pm
It definitely is listed as a Class II with a tow rating of 3500.  The reciever is a 2".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2020 at 8:48pm
It has a 2" reciever.......so it is a class 3?....sorry.  The rated tow for vehicle is 3500.  It is a factory tow package with transmission cooler and anti sway.  
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Okay. the TV is a factor now. What is it if the concern is a class 2 hitch? What is the tow capacity? A class 2 hitch is a 1-1/4" hitch rated up to 3,500 lbs. Now if it is a 2" hitch, then it might be a class 3 hitch.


I would be leery of hitching up an RPod if it really is a Class 2 hitch.
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