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ontheroadagain2 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Apr 2013 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
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On 3-11-12 Techntreck commented on "NO, don't release the pressure relief valve of your water heater to get water into the heater's tank (which someone earlier had mentioned doing)" Well, I made the mistake of doing that when first trying to get water into the heater on our 2012 172. I don't know how much of the 'require cushion' I let out; but having done it (and there are probably others as well). What should you do to replace it? Drain the whole system as if you're winterizing it and start over? ...or? I've been using it and we're heading out to the Black Hills in a day or so for our first major trip.
I'm doing a batch of mods right now and will probably post pics when we get back. I was just checking on the exterior wall thickness issue, screw anchors and that kind of thing (when I ran into the above WH comment). Is there anywhere on the forum where all this valuable info is 'gleaned' and put together in some kind of list of basic"facts for all" to work from? What also would be helpful is some shots of R-Pods under construction where the 'skeleton'; if there is one could be seen before all the foam and sheet plywood gets laminated in place. Forest River could probably contribute such fotos and they would be a great help to the many that ask about 'studs', etc. Shots of where the wiring is all being routed would be of greater help. Sorry in advance of this info is somewhere already...I always just google the question and it takes you to posts that pertain...and maybe that's missing already accumulated info. |
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techntrek ![]() Admin Group - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Location: MD Online Status: Offline Posts: 9062 |
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Personally I would drain the water heater - either open both low-point drains and the WH pressure relief valve (ironically), or take the anode out. Then let it refill normally. Several of us have commented on the interior walls when we've done mods, but you would have to search around to find that info. I'm not sure anyone has had to put a hole through the exterior wall. Or do you mean the interior of an exterior wall? Do a search here for "factory tour" and you'll find the pics of the half-built pods. |
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ontheroadagain2 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Apr 2013 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
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![]() I noticed the huge response to a maintenance manual; which I'll start checking into when I get back from Custerville. Thanks again. |
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Keith-N-Dar ![]() podders Helping podders - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Location: Mayville, WI Online Status: Offline Posts: 1447 |
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I may not drain the system, just isolate the water heater like one does to winterize. Then remove the anode, drain, put it back and refill.
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furpod ![]() Moderator Group - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Central KY Online Status: Offline Posts: 6128 |
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I am not totally understang the WH issue..
BUT.. If I understand it, you had an empty hot water heater. You hooked up to city water or filled your FW holding tank and turned on the pump, either way, a wet pressurized system. Then, in order to get water into the WH, you opened the blow off valve and vented the air there. Instead of just opening a hot water handle in the trailer. If that is what you are saying, and are worried, no need. Unless the safety valve is leaking now, you didn't hurt a thing. |
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techntrek ![]() Admin Group - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Location: MD Online Status: Offline Posts: 9062 |
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The problem is by opening the pressure relief valve the cushion of air that normally rests at the top, was removed. That cushion is needed as the water temperature increases. Water doesn't compress as the water heats up and camper water systems are too small to absorb the extra pressure. Even homes must now have a separate air bladder installed to help with this even though those systems are much larger.
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furpod ![]() Moderator Group - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Central KY Online Status: Offline Posts: 6128 |
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I don't think that is how they work.. if you open that valve (which you are supposed to do periodically), you instantly get water out... even on my house water heater, where the valve is at the very top of the WH.. there is literally no way to keep "air" in the WH. The fact that water doesn't compress is WHY we need a safety valve, so it can open and allow the pressure out if the WH malfunctions.
The bladder and expansion tank are separate from the WH itself, and it's purpose is to reduce and/or eliminate both water hammer, and pressure lag, when opening a faucet. You can in fact buy small ones for your RV, to help with the surging of water that can happen when on the pump.. http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/shurflo-accumulator-tank/2290 |
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ontheroadagain2 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Apr 2013 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
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![]() So I thought this would be fairly simple. I drained all the water from the fresh water tank (no city water hook-up was ever involved). I opened all the hot water valves thinking they are somehow involved in the system (after thinking more later I realized the water pump is in between so that was a moot effort). O.K. Water is gone. I opened the pressure relief valve just a crack and it spit an almighty blast of spray all over the work area, me and anything else within three feet. That was nuthin'. I then decided it would be better to loosen the anode and let all the water out the bottom end. I used the 1-1/16" socket I'd found and ratchet the anode out....once it got close to the last few threads it started spitting and I ratcheted faster. "POW" the anode said as it shot across my driveway hitting a brick stair trim wall...along with that 'bullet' came all six gallons...maybe only 5-1/2 who can measure it; but it covered a Lot Of Driveway with white bits of crud and all that water pretty much instantly.....another gallon trickled out and there I stood in total amazement. I had opened a 'bomb' without knowing it. I hope anyone reading this will learn from my mistake...what was it? I should have gotten a large rag or similar and covered the work area and released the pressure valve into a old bucket or waste basket....even the garbage can. There is obviously quite a bit of static pressure left in these tiny water heaters. Needless to say the mess of spray was everywhere and I broke out the garden hose and set it on "jet spray". I then examined the slightly bent anode...straightened it...it was missing a bit of the porous material; but plenty was left for the rest of the season...and reinstalled it, closed the pressure relief valve and refilled about 18 gallons into the fresh water tank and went inside and turned on the pump and got everything up to snuff. I welcome all your hilarious comments; but I'm sure there are a few out there that will definitely treat there WH with a bit of respect about this pressure issue. Thanks for all your comments and we're heading for the Black Hills tomorrow night. |
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techntrek ![]() Admin Group - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Location: MD Online Status: Offline Posts: 9062 |
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Interesting furpod. I've just eyeballed the height of the upper water line and the pressure relief valve and from what I could see, the valve was higher. That might still be true, but the air pocket that is left gets compressed so much that the water line is above the pressure relief valve.
ontheroad - actually the water pump is between the fresh water tank and the rest of the system. It is before the water heater so opening the hot water valves should have removed any pressure in the system. Even opening the cold water valves should do that - as far as I know there are no backpressure-prevention valves in the system which would prevent the pressure in the water heater from pushing backwards through the cold water system. Then opening the pressure relief valve should have definitely removed any pressure, if you left it open.
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furpod ![]() Moderator Group - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Central KY Online Status: Offline Posts: 6128 |
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Yes, it's easy to think that it must have something to do with air at the top, but it's not actually. If you go look at water heaters at the hardware store of your choice.. if that was how they worked, some water heaters have the safety valve halfway down their body.. lot of air..
As stated, opening the pressurized system is.. entertaining. it's best to turn off pump or disconnect from city water, then open the sink faucets to relieve the static pressure before removing the anode.. or.. make sure to have someone videoing the pressurized opening..lol Here is a link to what they do and how they work.. If the system is working properly, while there is a slight pressure rise based on the WH expanding the water in the tank, your plumbing system is designed to hold that pressure, it's when it malfunctions, and heats to high, that bad things can happen. MythBusters did a pretty good episode on it. I think they shot the core of a standard residential WH 400 feet into the air, after it went through a ceiling and roof structure.. Took well above 300psi in the system if I remember right, and they achieved that pressure by removing/bypassing all the safety devices.. Watts I was forced to learn a whole lot more about plumbing in homes then most people need to know because of the reef tank, I have all kinds of "extra" pluming, pressure gauges etc. Then I got to learn all about RV plumbing by not using a pressure reducing valve when hooking up the 'stream in a campground that had "spotty" pressure. ![]() |
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