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neptune1 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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Hi all, new here and glad to be here. My wife and I are looking towards buying a Rpod Forest River-178 (20ft, 2600-2800 lbs) .
What I have a question for is. We are looking for a smaller truck, Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon, for example. Something with better gas mileage than a full size truck. We are downsizing and are only going to have the one vehicle. Any ideas on a good smaller truck or SUV that can easily tow but still get decent gas? I know towing will cut down the mileage but want to make a good choice. Thanks in advance...
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mjlrpod ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 1221 |
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As you said, while towing your mpg will be low. Anywhere from 10 - 15 mpg. One consideration for a tow vehicle is size of gas tank. Most any small truck Tacoma, frontier, ranger etc. will pull the 178 with plenty to spare. I think the mileage is all the same-ish between them. Probably get around 20 mpg avg not towing.
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StephenH ![]() podders Helping podders - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6417 |
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Hello and welcome!
For a 178, a mid-sized truck such as the ones you mention would work okay. I am towing a 179 with a Nissan Frontier. The only time that it is an issue is when we are at higher elevations where the naturally aspirated engine does not have the same power as at lower elevations. If the vehicle you are considering is turbocharged, that will make a big difference. However, you may find that you need to use premium fuel. If you are considering an SUV, something like a Ford Expedition or equivalent would work. Don't consider anything that does not have at least a 5,000 lb tow rating. You can use one with a 3500 lb tow rating. I did so for a while. I would not recommend it though. By the time you finish loading the 178 for travel, it will be reaching or exceeding the 3500 lbs. Whatever mileage rating the vehicle has, automatically assume it will get about half of that while towing. If you can find a Colorado with a Diesel engine, that would be great and would likely give you better mileage. However, you might not recoup the additional cost of the vehicle in fuel savings. The thing that helps most in mileage is to slow down. The big thing about towing is the frontal area and wind resistance. The faster you go, the more fuel it takes to push through the air. I found that towing no faster than 60 mph is a good compromise between wanting to get there and getting acceptable mileage. Plus, many states have towing speed limits that are 55 or 60 mph. In addition, the tires do better since some really should not be driven past 65 mph, especially the load range C tires. One other benefit to slowing down is that you will arrive much more relaxed. It won't be the white-knuckle experience that towing at 70+ mph can be. We are happy with the 2010 Frontier (6100 lb tow rating) we have. It does not get the greatest mileage. Newer vehicles that have more gears in the transmission and newer technology engines will likely give you better mileage than we get. I would not mind getting a full-sized pickup such as an F-150 or equivalent, but it is hard to beat 'paid for.'
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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+1 to StephenH. 5000 lbs min tow rating/500 hitch rating for that trailer.
Ignore the trailer empty weight spec, it is meaningless. My 179 has a stated empty weight of around 2700 but in reality weighs about 3700 loaded, with 500 on the tongue. Use the max gross weight of the trailer instead, you will be closer to that than to the empty weight, and about 13% of that should be on the tongue. Why 13%? Minimum is 10% and recommended range is 10-15%. But the hitch load varies depending on your loading and how much water is in which tank, so 13% is a nice midpoint. The tow vehicle ratings assume only a driver and no passengers or cargo are in the vehicle. Of course that is far from reality. And then you have to ask yourself how close to the manufacturer’s limits you want to be operating on a daily basis. If you plan on boon docking you might want to go a bit higher still. You will be carrying water, dual batteries, a second propane cylinder, a generator possibly, more gear. We boondock almost exclusively and my 5000 lb rated Highlander still has some headroom on trailer weight, none on hitch weight, and we pack light and only take the necessities. No kayaks, bicycles, big grills, tents, picnic tables, extra passengers, etc. SUV vs pickup is a personal choice based on what else you want to do with the vehicle. Either can work for you. Diesel vs gasoline is the same. Don’t get diesel because of the better mpg. Its a different fuel so that’s a false comparison. Diesel is a heavier hydrocarbon which higher energy content per gallon, and costs more per gallon too. As StephenH points out, around a 29 gal fuel tank is needed. You will wind up around 13-14 mpg towing at 60 mph on flat ground with no wind, regardless of what you tow with, everybody does. It’s the air drag from that big box, so the only way to improve that is to slow down (or wait for a tail wind). Finally, unless you get a tow vehicle with a high hitch rating, say around 700 lbs or more, plan on getting a weight distribution hitch to put some of that hitch weight back only the tow vehicle front axle. |
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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We've been very happy with our F-150 with the tiny 2.7 ecoboost engine. It has plenty of power for the kind of trailer you're contemplating. It gets very good mileage both towing and not. We just returned from a trip to/from the SF Bay Area traveling over Carson Pass [8,652'] and got 14.2 mpg despite having extra weight on the way home in the form of a rescued Shop Smith and it's accessories. Typically around Dayton, NV we get between 23.8 and 24.2 mpg, depending on my foot and the wind.
Besides pretty decent mileage for a pickup, the turboboost truly flattens the mountains. Not once did I feel the need for more power going over Carson Pass. The down side is you have less engine breaking on the steep down grades which takes a little anticipatory planning so your speed doesn't creep up on you and require braking. The same engine is available in the Ranger series but when we compared the two trucks, we found the F-150 to be enough roomier and more comfortable, without a sacrifice of economy, that we opted for the full size version. There are a lot of capable trucks on the market. It's just a matter of matching your personal preferences and the trailer you plan to pull [and may want to pull in the future] to the truck. Best of luck in your search.
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neptune1 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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thanks eveyone for your thoughts/ideas and input, very much appreciated. I'm kinda surprised by the not so good gas mileage when these trailers are much lighter than the older ones. I remember our older 20 foot Kit trailer from the 90's with our full size Chev pickup got about the same gas mileage as what was said here from folks here and other forums. Maybe we need to go back to tent camping LOL...
As for size of truck, my wife isn't really keen on driving or getting in and out of a full size truck, actually Im not either, we are downsizing to just the one truck and she is shorter than I am and has a bad knee. Thanks again and if you have any other thoughts please let me know.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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Weight (in the form of rolling resistance) only accounts for about 1/3 of total power demand towing an rpod sized trailer at highway speed. The vast majority is wind drag. So being lighter doesn’t help that much for fuel use, at least on flat ground. It does help a lot for tow vehicle handling. If you want better mileage then you should get a tent trailer or a HiLo, or a little teardrop, something with less drag. Or just drive slow, even 5 mph makes a big difference.
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podwerkz ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
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Among the good choices in the mid-size trucks and SUVs, you should also consider your local dealers, warranties, etc. If you settle on SUV-XYZ, but the nearest dealership for that brand is 150 miles away, it might be worth looking at SUV-ABC because you can get one for not much more money and only have a 20 minute drive to the dealership.
Just another factor to consider.
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Ricktoon ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2020 Location: Montana Online Status: Offline Posts: 67 |
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We tow our 2021 R-pod 196 with a 2019 Chevy Colorado with the tow package. Be sure to get the tow package with whatever vehicle you decide on. You want the trailer braker controller, etc. The Colorado has a 7,000 pound tow capacity so we have some safety margin even with a loaded trailer and stuff in the bed of the truck. We generally carry bicycles in the bed of the truck along with a spare propane tank, etc. We also use a WDH hitch to add another margin of safety. We get 12-14 mpg when towing and up to 30 mpg without the R-pod on the back. Wind and drag are the biggest impact and we try to keep it at 65 mph on major highways. We are are also higher up in Montana which impacts mileage. Any of the smaller trucks should work. We got the Colorado because my wife could get in it without running boards. Try them out and have both of you drive it before deciding.
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neptune1 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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hi Rick, now that's exactly the information we're looking for...thank you. We are looking at the Colorado and see that the 3.6 Litter has a tow weight of 7500.
Can I ask, what is the difference in buying a truck with a tow package versus having the correct hitch and electric brake system installed yourself by a dealer or shop?
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