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    Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 5:00pm
Bboudens,

I would recommend you look at your tank brackets. I was not pleasantly surprised when I inspected mine. There was gaps between brackets and frame and several of the sheet metal screws had begun to pull out. The instances of tank loss are documented. Agree weight distribution is important. My issues with sway were solved with addition of a sway bar. Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 5:14pm
+ 1 for Fur pod. I should clarify that I don't haul a full load of water for the entire trip. Here's a few boon-docking, hunting, drilling tips that I've used
-Google the nearest camp ground or municipal dump site (for RV's) and fill up there, even if you are not staying there for a fee you can dump and fill up.  
-Another possible source is the municipal service yards. To fill up at least. I've used this trick a number of times when drilling in rural areas and needed an emergency water supply. They typically (up here in Canada at least) have a coin operated pump/meter that's accessible even after work hrs. And I'm talking 100's of gallons worth for less than $50.00 (still quite a few toonies and time tho) a few bucks would fill the camper np.
- Carrying a couple gallons tho won't be a big deal I always carry a 5 gal. water caddy (those plastic blue jugs) anyways for dishes. and remember to minus the rough weight of water off your trailers carrying capacity. Say 10 gal. (or 1/3rd of a tank) is what I've hauled in my pod when I start out. 100 lbs. is an easy overestimation.  

As for the WHD have your dealer set it up and install.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 6:24pm
I have found the 179 actually more stable with the FW tank full as the tank is located forward of the axel.
However for long trips I usually keep FW tank about half full.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 6:52pm
On our last trip, the fresh and gray tanks were empty and we carried water in an 8 gallon container in our car. As we traveled, the black water tank was used and gaining weight. On the 179, the fresh and black tanks are in front of the axle. The gray tank had minimal input. It is behind the axle. The 179 rode well until we encountered the ice and wind in Wyoming.

Once we got to our daughter's house, we filled the fresh tank on the day we left since we were headed south to warmer weather. In Huachuca City, AZ, we emptied the black and gray tanks before leaving and topped off the fresh tank. Since we expected to be traveling in warmer tempteratures, we thought we would be okay. We did encounter freezing weather headed through Texas. It was enough to freeze the water lines. However, they did thaw without incident the next day. We had no further trouble with freezing on the return trip. It is currently winterized.

The biggest problem I had was trying to get the weight distribution in our Equal-i-zer properly set-up. It took three tries, but I think I finally have it dialed in. After the last tweak, it towed much better. It wasn't horrible before. I just knew it could be better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 8:24pm
I'm going to be the contrarian here.  We towed all over the US with our pod with a full fresh water tank (and then later often full waste tanks).  Same with our current camper.  With proper loading, hitch angle, sway bar or WDH with sway control, etc, it shouldn't be an issue.  See the link in my signature for a discussion of all of the factors.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 11:31pm
Ya I will check them out for sure. I was able to use the pod for only a hand full of times before the winter but the trailer was an rental for a summer before I bought it so it is definitely worth a look. Would it be possible to replace the screws with bolts and lock nuts? I must admit I haven't been under the trailer yet and if it is possible, I think such a mod would be to my benefit I'm planning on using it on a few more hunting trips down some rather ruff access roads. Maybe adding some extra 1/4" metal strips across the tank from frame to frame? Also what sway bar do you use? I'm not so concerned with a weight distribution hitch I've run my numbers and even with a full load the trailer is only 1/3rd my tow capacity. But I am interested in some form of sway control.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 4:36am
I join Teckntrek on this issue.  Since picking up our 177 back in March of 2011 we nearly always begin our trips with a full 30 gallons of fresh well water since we usually boondock.  We can normally get this to last 1 week until having to find another source of well water, no muni or city water has ever entered our tank,  really dislike the taste.  The only times we don't fill our tank is when we go for a 2 day trip during the summer months, will take 10 gal with us, that is more than enough.  So we have traveled both ways for long distances, full tank usually and sometimes semi-full with no issues.  As far as sway goes, we noticed with our 2008 Explorer we could never go above 35 mph w/o sway problems, full tank or not.  However with our 2013 Explorer I have tried it both ways (full tank and semi-full) and have had no sway, even at speeds up to 55 mph.  I only did that locally to test.  Outside of those testing times I always use a sway bar link for safety.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 6:39am
I think there are several factors that can induce sway.  Several posts have talked about water in the tanks.  while it is true that water sloshing around can contribute to sway, I think the main issue with water in the tank is the LOCATION of the tank.  Most of the pods have the fresh water tank behind the axle.  this loading creates less tongue weight.  It seems that by loading most of your cargo weight forward of the axle you are increasing the tongue weight.  Most people want to have a minimum of 10% tongue weight and it can go up to 12-15% depending on the TV and hitch set up. so, tongue weight is critical-not enough will definitely cause sway issues.

I try to always load with most of the weight forward of the axle AND use a good quality weight distribution hitch(Equalizer600#) with integrated sway control.  I can feel the difference in towing by moving some of our cargo back and forth in the floor as we travel.  Just moving one or two boxes back and forth can make a big difference. So, loading your trailer properly also is a critical component to eliminate sway. Again, keeping the weight forward increase tongue weight.

another important factor is good tires with stiff sidewalls that are properly inflated.

So, be careful how you load the trailer, carry a small amount of water when towing long distance and use a good WDH (properly adjusted)  with sway control and you will not have a sway issue in my experience. I have traveled cross country east to west and back several times and north to south and back several times with no sway issues.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 7:16am
Bboudens,

Replace screws with bolts and lock nuts, I did on the one moveable brace for each tank, both sides. Some will say drilling into frame will void warranty. I used 1/4" hardened bolts thru frame. I couldn't find an easy way to strap, and that wouldn't have fixed the bracket to frame issues. There are several comparable sway bars out there, they all work basically the same. I would make sure you get a "kit" and make sure you get the bracket with small ball that mounts on the vehicle hitch. Some advertised they are sway for a WDS specifically, but they look the same to me. I buy from "etrailer" a lot because they are consistently lower in price than others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 7:35am
Forum mates,

Good discussion. Going back to original post. The guy with the 177 was traveling home with a new to him RPod - no indication of sway control or WDS. He like me - with a new, empty RPod and a full fresh water tank, encountered sway. I absolutely agree, sway systems and proper loading, tongue weight, etc play in sway. The Interweb like the post has varying opinions of traveling with water in tanks and it's obvious there is no wrong or right. To me the learning experience was - don't pick up a RPod from a dealer that offers no clues, and tow it without the equipment to tow it safely, ignorance is not an excuse. I was guilty of that.
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