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    Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 12:13pm
Coming this spring, I intend to do a full hot water recirculating on demand system with temperature limiting control (since the water heater is set to 140). I am a licensed master plumber who hates to see water wasted down to the grey tank and out of the fresh tank waiting for hot water to reach the faucet all the way to the back of my 179. The recirculating system will be less than $100 and be fully automatic at the push of a button with no permanent modifications to the camper. The temperature control will cost about the same and will require modification.
I'm in the process of engineering it now and am looking for advice from others who have already done such a thing.
After I make it I intend to do a full instructional post with pictures.
I know you CAN catch the cold water in a pan and use it for tea/coffee. But, I must tinker.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 12:30pm
I added an instant hot water system in our home ( for one bathroom) and it was pretty simple.  It was a WATTS system.  A link to the description is http://www.watts.com/pages/whatsnew/IHWRS.asp
I'm sure you would have no trouble at all installing this.  I think I paid $160 or so and had a plumber install the pump for a small charge on the water heater. We love it and don't waste all that cold water waiting for the hot water to get to the faucet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 12:33pm
Forgot to mention my system will be run on 12 volt not house power like most of the systems are made for. I don't always have hookups and that is when it is even more important not to waste any of the precious 36 gallons.
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Interesting putting a recirc system into a camper, but definitely a benefit when boondocking.  Although it would be cheaper to just carry an extra 5-10 gallons of fresh water with you, but I fully understand the need to tinker (see this link).  Someone around here mentioned an idea of using the WH to power a hydronic heating system (quieter than the furnace), add an extra 3-way valve and some extra hose, mix that water fairly cool, and you could get double-duty out of those parts you mention.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 1:56pm
Using the above idea with a loop under the mattress would make a heated bed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 2:44pm
I've wondered about using the HW system to fabricate a small radiant or forced air heating system. Here's one idea => http://www.go2marine.com/product/20172F/radex-hot-water-forced-air-heater.html

That said, I picked up a Mr. Heater Buddy this past weekend and used it while camping. Wow, this thing throws off some heat! We used one pound of propane over four days just running it intermittently to take the chill off.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 3:49pm
   Lance campers for their model 1575 have a instant propane hot water heater and you are able to dial the temperature you desire at the time you need hot water. I don't how well it has worked out but sounds like a good idea. Forget the manufacture of hot water heater.    ( I have looked back at reviews and the tankless hot water heater has not been well liked by owners. I went to the Lance manufacture website and there was no mention of them, my guess they have been discontinued with the Lance 1575.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 4:03pm
Instant water heaters usually produce a cold water sandwich every time you turn the faucet on and off. I had one for a week in my house and ripped it out. It drove us nuts washing dishes. That used a lot of water. Some, and I stress some, newer tankless heaters have a small tank in them to stop the sandwich effect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 6:18pm
Fred, interesting device.  Doesn't sound like it has a pump or thermostat.  You probably could go cheaper with a $50 transmission cooler and $5 computer fan.  Add a 12 volt thermostat, relay, pump and you would be golden.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 6:29pm
Yeah Doug! Junk Yard Wars! Big smile I sorta got obsessed with this idea today.

Wondering the relative efficiencies of using the HW heater as a boiler, plumbed with a 6,000 BTU cabin heater like This Aqua Hot exchanger and a high efficiency circulating pump like This Jabsco.

Would take a little plumbing engineering to prevent back flow into FW tank and allow HW to still circulate with on board FW pump, but I bet it could be done! Both the heat exchanger and the pump are very low power draw and the HW heater just seems to be much more efficient than the furnace. I bet it would be quiet too.

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