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Cap-n-Cray ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 2014 Location: Bainbridge Is Online Status: Offline Posts: 121 |
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I am on a trip to Nashville and have a generator problem. I just installed a Progressive Surge Protector EMS-LCHW30. It is hard wired into the AC input on the trailer. Everything works fine when I am plugged in to power outlets. My Honda 2000i generator gets an error code of open ground, E-2 on the Progressive display and the unit will not power up.
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CharlieM ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 2012 Location: N. Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1797 |
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Sounds like the surge protector is not seeing voltage between the hot and ground pins on the trailer power connector. Perhaps jmsokol or techntrek can jump in and say where the ground pin should pick up its connection. Seems like at the generator if everything is wired correctly.
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Tars Tarkas ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 2013 Location: Near Nashville Online Status: Offline Posts: 1454 |
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The Progressive surge protector requires a ground-to-neutral bond. I know very little about electricity so the whys and wherefores of this are beyond me, but shore power has the ground and neutral wires bonded at the breaker panel. Inverter style generators like yours have a floating neutral (or floating ground). Whatever it's called, the ground and neutral wires on your generator are not bonded (connected to each other).
You have two choices. You can have surge protector ignore the error and let the current through. (I have the Progressive also, but I can't tell you how to do this without reading the instruction book. I assume you have the book too, so just look it up.) The other thing you can do is create a ground-to-neutral bonding plug and plug it into another outlet on your generator. This is just a 3-prong 15amp plug with a jumper wire going from the ground prong to the neutral prong. You can make one in 5 minutes for $3. Google it for instructions. I'm not comfortable going into more detail. This is the solution I chose though and I can vouch for it. I talked to the guy at Progressive and he recommends this, despite the pamphlet's instructions not to use a generator with the surge protector. TT |
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Most generators below 8000 watts don't have the ground and neutral bonded within the generator. The manufacturers claim they are usually used for home backup, where the ground and neutral are bonded within the utility panel. By code there can only be one bonding point, so they are right. However, they are also often used to power campers - like here - and then there is no bond within the camper. Campers rely on the bond done within the campground's utility panel.
There is a cheap and easy solution to create that bond when you are using the generator with your pod (and to then remove it easily when you use it with your house). Mike discusses it in his article on this subject, here: http://www.noshockzone.org/generator-ground-neutral-bonding/
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Tars Tarkas ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 2013 Location: Near Nashville Online Status: Offline Posts: 1454 |
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I forgot to mention that I'm in Nashville, essentially. If you still have problems with this, let me know and maybe we can get together.
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Cap-n-Cray ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 2014 Location: Bainbridge Is Online Status: Offline Posts: 121 |
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Thanks TT. Thanks everyone. That sounds like the problem. I may make a ground wire from the ground terminal on the 2000i generator to the frame of the trailer. I think that will work. It will ground the generator to the trailer. Any opinions on this? |
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CharlieM ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 2012 Location: N. Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1797 |
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Thanks TT. Thanks everyone. That sounds like the problem. I may make a ground wire from the ground terminal on the 2000i generator to the frame of the trailer. I think that will work. It will ground the generator to the trailer. Any opinions on this? [/QUOTE] Nope, that won't solve the problem. The connection from camper frame to gen frame is already made via the power cable. The problem is the generator neutral is floating; the neutral to ground connection is missing. I sugesst the N-G plug described by others and in the JmSokol article. Should work fine and it's cheap. |
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Cap-n-Cray ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 2014 Location: Bainbridge Is Online Status: Offline Posts: 121 |
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I now understand...
It is like a sub panel. The ground and neutral are separated. I am a general contractor too. N-G plug is what I will make. Thanks... I let everyone know how it works. |
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Tars Tarkas ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 2013 Location: Near Nashville Online Status: Offline Posts: 1454 |
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Yeah, as Charlie said, it won't help. This may be the same url Techntrek posted: http://www.noshockzone.org/generator-ground-neutral-bonding/. Follow the link. This is really easy, even if it's kind of esoteric. TT |
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Yes, a basic G-N bonding plug as described in my article above should work. Please give it a try and report back to the group. |
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