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    Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 11:10am
Fred,

Looks like you're on the right track. Re your multiple measurements on your "standard" battery: I'd suspect any reading near 13V if the battery has been sitting "at rest" for a while. It should be around 12.6-12.8 volts if fully charged. As far as calibrating the new meter, you will never be able to totally calibrate out hookup errors because they are load dependent. Just connect as close to the battery as you can, check the new meter against a trusted higher end meter connected in a similar manner, and sleep well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 10:04am
Originally posted by CharlieM

I use a meter plugged into one of my added 12 volt outlets, which connect directly to the power converter.

http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3721-Battery-Charging-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1352484368&sr=1-1&keywords=battery+monitor+12v


  I have the same one but haven't gotten around to adding any 12v outlets yet. I clamp a cable with a power outlet on the end directly to the battery.  This seems much more versatile due to its innate portability.  We've always got our TVs, of course, and I usually carry this with me too:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 9:43am
Originally posted by CharlieM

Exactly correct. The voltmeter is far better than the factory supplied system monitor. It is only good for telling you the battery is still there, maybe. To accurately assess the battery condition, short of a hydrometer, you need a digital voltmeter. I use a meter plugged into one of my added 12 volt outlets, which connect directly to the power converter.

http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3721-Battery-Charging-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1352484368&sr=1-1&keywords=battery+monitor+12v

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That's a great option, Charlie. I considered that first, but use my one 12v. outlet for too many other things and that space to the left of the Jensen stereo seemed begging for a hole to be cut!

BTW, when I removed the Jensen head unit yesterday I found two of the four screws weren't screwed into anything. Jeesh, that kind of stuff bugs me when I find it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 9:34am
I wanted to add a few things because this subject really interests me and because the Pod is still warming up so I can finish this mod. I shoveled a path to it yesterday!

OK, so I wanted to add a voltmeter. I go to my favorite bookmark and buy one - this one

*Then* I decided to really start studying. Sorta backwards, I know. It's the C in OCD.

Anyway, I get it, wire it to a 12v. sealed lead acid battery I have on my bench along with a very old RS multimeter. Multimeter reads 12.6v. New voltmeter reads 13.2v. Yikes! A 0.6v. difference! Referring to that chart above, that's huge. Now what?

Slowing down a bit, it became apparent that I needed some kind of reference voltage and/or a way to reasonably accurately measure and, ideally, calibrate the voltmeter to the reference. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on something like a TriMetric

Digging around the interwebs, I found this meter. It gets good reviews, has two decimal point readout and, most importantly, has a potentiometer so I can calibrate it to a reference voltage. When I got it and wired it to my reference battery it read 13.1v.! Watts up with that?! I borrowed a friend's multimeter which measured the reference @ 13.05v. Back to shopping. This time I ordered this multimeter. Can't afford a Fluke Multimeter.

While waiting for the new multimeter, I have finished the mounting plate (shown above) with a mini rocker switch so I can turn the meter off if I want to - it is pretty bright. I also made up a length of wires I will use wire to 12v. source on WFCO panel. With everything wired to reference battery, I find that I can use the potentiometer to adjust the output of the voltmeter to compensate for any voltage drop I may see from the hookup. The idea here is to get as accurate a 12v. system reading as I can.

Although, I'm pretty confident I will be able to dial the meter to closely match the chart I showed above, it's probably more important to note the battery voltage when fully charge using whatever you use to measure and to try not to let the voltage drop below -1.0 volt. That seems to be safe and probably about what the standard pod indicator lights read @ half full.

I hope that helps and please feel free to correct or comment!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 8:54am
Exactly correct. The voltmeter is far better than the factory supplied system monitor. It is only good for telling you the battery is still there, maybe. To accurately assess the battery condition, short of a hydrometer, you need a digital voltmeter. I use a meter plugged into one of my added 12 volt outlets, which connect directly to the power converter.

http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3721-Battery-Charging-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1352484368&sr=1-1&keywords=battery+monitor+12v

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 8:36am
To know when to add more Dilithium Crystals! Sorry, Trekkie humor.

Short answer: To monitor health of 12v. battery system and charging system.

Longer answer...

Lead acid batteries like the one's commonly used on our pods actually have a very narrow (voltage) range of health often referred to as State of Charge.

A resting battery (not hooked up to shore power) would be considered at a State of Charge of 100% with a voltage of 12.7v or above. Often 13.2v is a 100% resting charge of many batteries. A battery showing 10.5v or below is considered at a State of Charge of 0%. It's dead, kaputt, out of juice and may not come back to life (unless you have a decalcifying charger like a Battery Minder).

It is a widely accepted practice to *not* drain lead acid batteries beyond a 50% SOC or 12.06v. I've attached a chart which I am using to refer to. The voltmeter and chart help me determine when I need to recharge the batteries and it will show that the converter/charger is pumping volts into the batteries.

And....it simply gives me a sense of power! Wink

That's a bit of an oversimplification, but I hope it helps.

-fred


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 10:56pm
Why would you install one? Or better, what is the benefit of installing one? Sorry for sounding naive, but I was just wondering. Thanks!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 4:52pm
That would solve it too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 12:50pm
I never noticed the Blue Glow from the Radio/TV, but then maybe I need to plug it in. :)   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 12:48pm
ok, 12 is overkill with that draw.
 
I thought of another reason you won't want to keep the voltmeter on all the time - the blue glow at night will fill the pod.  We cover the display on the tv/dvd player for that reason.
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