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    Posted: 28 Aug 2013 at 10:44pm
That's what I'm looking for. I honestly appreciate everyones concern. My kids will be in the Jeep, so believe me when I say I'm really going to be sure before I buy and tow. We just want the ability to camp into the fall. MI gets chilly, so aomething with hard sides helps.
If there are any Wrangler Sport two door owners, let me know how it worked. If you know anyone like that, also please comment. Soooo much info!. Thanks to all!!
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Posts: 1447 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2013 at 10:32pm
I hate to rain on anyone's parade, and I know we have folks on board that towed with a Wrangler before. I hope the chime in soon.

My TV is the other end of the spectrum, so I am no help really.
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Posts: 1797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2013 at 9:47pm

"This might be a self solving problem. If the crossmember is sufficiently weak the TV may move and the trailer may stay still."

LOLLOL That would do it. Let's hope the emergency disconnect cable holds so the brakes are set.
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Posts: 1447 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2013 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by techntrek

I just dug around a little more on a Jeep forum and from what I read the issue is the mounting of the hitch.  Its mounted on a weak cross-member which can't support a large tow weight.


This might be a self solving problem. If the crossmember is sufficiently weak the TV may move and the trailer may stay still.
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A manufacturer's tow rating is a complex combination of many factors. Safety and their legal liability are foremost. Next is damage to the car followed by driver comfort and satisfation. Rolled into the satisfaction is perfarmance and the ability to tow and accelerate under highway conditions including merging, highway travel, and hill climbing. This is where the 3.73 rear end comes in. It allows reasonable highway speed, acceleration, and hill climbing without getting out to push. The rear end ratio also determines the stress level in the drive train (transmission, defferential, drive shaft. A numerically higher ratio reduces the drive train stress for a given load, albeit reducing road speed at a given engine RPM. If within the original design - OK, but I'd consider carefully if I had the design engineers telling me it might me rough on the drive train components. Again, the dealer will be mighty scarce when you come back for a transmission replacement.
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I agree. The dealer I spoke to was Dick Scott Chrysler Jeep. I've heard what you did. I asked and they said the towing cap was thesame despite the axle ratio. The Unlimited is supposed to go with 3500. They're the ones telling me its ok. I'm getting the wdh, brake controller. I have the tow package and the dealership is putting the syntheyic axle lube in.
So the question is, who to trust!
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Be very careful; proceed with caution. The 2012 Trailer Life towing guide lists 2000# for the Wranger and 3500# for the Unlimited only is it has the 3.73 rear end. Dealers will and do tell you anything to sell you a trailer. After you leave it's not their problem. I'd say unless you specifically have the Unlimited with a towing package, transmission cooler, 3.73 differential, WDH, and electric brake controller you are asking for problems.

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Posts: 231 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2013 at 8:06pm
And this is where I run into problems. The dealerships say its no problem as long as you have the weight distribution hitch. That's what gives it the higher towing capacity. Otherwise its 2000. The rv place says the same as the dealership. I'll keep asking and hopefully find someone who has a Wrangler and is towing one. The dealership, All Seasons, said they have a lot of Jeeps towing them because the weight is low.
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I just dug around a little more on a Jeep forum and from what I read the issue is the mounting of the hitch.  Its mounted on a weak cross-member which can't support a large tow weight.
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Posts: 9062 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2013 at 6:16pm

2000 pounds would be the towing capacity, not the tongue weight.  That's a separate rating which is usually 10% of the towing capacity.  According to jeep.com the towing capacity is only 2000 pounds, and then only if it has the options of Antilock Braking System, Electronic Stability Control, and Trailer Sway Control (all part of the trailer prep package).  I see no mention of max tongue weight rating anywhere.  http://www.jeep.com/en/jeep_capabilities/towing/ 

I'm sure the biggest factor is the short wheelbase.  Trailers will push you around the shorter the wheelbase.
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