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techntrek
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Topic: Ready ...Set ...Generator !! Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 8:52am |
Originally posted by dsmiths
We have only used it about 3 times since I purchased it, but I bet you if I sold it another 24 inch oak would isolate us, I am keeping the gen set. |
Absolutely. I wish everyone would evaluate their needs and wants and plan ahead, short-term and long-term. Most people would include "electricity" on their list of short-term needs for heat, possibly water (well), and keeping food cold. Yet most don't do this evaluation even after experiencing an emergency - or if they do, they don't take steps to ensure those needs/wants are met. So then the power goes out for a week from a freak storm like the recent Derecho, and everyone screams bloody murder because the electric company is taking so "long" to get their power back. Instead of taking responsibility for their own comfort/survival and storing supplies ahead of time so they can take care of themselves... like getting a genset and storing 15-20 gallons of fuel (with Stabil).
A downside of our first-world existence in North America is most people expect someone else to always take care of their basic needs. Sure, most of the time others do take care of us. We pay the money for electric to be delivered to our house, we pay the money for the convenience of getting food from the local store, etc. But then we forget that the time will come when those things won't be there for some reason - I could name a half-dozen major emergencies just from the last decade where this was true. Then we blame someone else because our needs are suddenly not being met. Instead of blaming ourselves for not taking care of our selves.
Sorry for the rant. 
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Keith-N-Dar
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 9:07am |
Different parts of the country seem to do better than others with this. The same year as the disasterous Katrina in New Orleans a major winter storm could have had the same impact on the northern plains states. But people were prepared and they took care of themselves and their neighbors. On another forum a poster said the sheriff in his town said that with hurricain season on them it was OK to shoot and kill people if seen on other's property. In Wisconsin we assume that if after a disaster people are coming to help.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 10:41am |
Easy big fella'. Never known you to rant before. I do hold the same values. We have had a 5.5KW genset for years as standby power. Have had a transfer switch installed next to the garage where we store the genset. Try and run it about 30 minutes each month with a electric radiator as a "load." Storing gasoline is some serious business. Some garages have the gas water heater installed there. One small vapor trail and kaboom. All of us have a ready supply of gasoline in our vehicles. Might want to consider purchasing a small manual pump with hoses attached to draw fuel from our vehicles into a suitable container as the need arises. Additionally, gasoline does age, and without proper additives, will become unusuable. Any all good advice from you and others. Safe Travels.
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techntrek
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 11:21am |
Takes a lot to get me going. :-)
I store my gas in my shed so no worries about vapor for me. All modern gas containers have vapor seals so it shouldn't be a problem for most. I hate those dang things, though, I've spilled more gas (and therefore vapors) than I would have with the old-style caps which sealed just as well. Don't get me ranting again! I add Stabil so it should be good for a year before I need to recycle it into my cars and buy new.
The gas in my vehicles is part of my plan for longer outages. If I see a hurricane or ice storm is coming my way I'll go fill all of them up. The gas will be used in my Prius which has been modified to run half of my house via a large UPS - it effectively becomes a 3 kw genset which uses as much gas as a 2 kw Honda inverter-genset (about 0.2 gallons per hour based on tests I've run). Running my loads 12 hours a day I can stretch my total gas supply for a month, or a month and a half if I run them 8 hours a day. Probably longer because I can turn off my garage fridge right away in an emergency, and then my inside fridge once everything is gone, leaving just my freezer. The lower my loads go, the less fuel I'll burn.
I also have a 12 kw LPG genset on a 500 gallon tank (350 gallons usable). It burns a lot more fuel but I can stretch that supply to a month if I run it 8 hours per day, too.
I'm prepared on the electrical side, now I'm working on food, tools, etc. 
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 11:51am |
In preparation for Hurricane Irene last year, the old men on our street were all doing their old man techy-chats in the driveway but on generators instead of lawn mowers and hedge trimmers  After a few minutes they seemed to remember we had a pod and came over to see what type of generator we would have. We haven't invested in one yet, the the old guys on our street were shocked to hear that the Hondas were going for approximately $3000+ for half the energy output of what they got at Lowes and Home Depot for approximately $600.
Why are these units so much more expensive? Are they quieter? more efficient?
BTW most of the old retired guys on our street are ex Electric Boat & Ex-Navy and all seem to have their generators hard wired into their house electric system with fancy shut offs and switches and all. I was thinking more along the lines of going solar as the gas stations by us ran out of gas the day after Irene hit.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 12:08pm |
I haven't priced generators with comparable specs at Lowes or Home Depot ...but if you can get a brand new 2000i (Honda model) like system for $600 with a 3 year warranty it's a pretty good deal. I went with the Honda because of it's reputation, weight, sound levels and feedback from friends who own them. After discounts and Gift Card from the store I paid around $800. I'm good with that.
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techntrek
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 2:24pm |
You'll pay those high prices for inverter-gensets, the best are by Honda with Yamaha a close 2nd. They are much quieter than the cheap "work site" generators you'll pick up at Home Depot, because they will adjust their speed based on the load and because their parts are designed to be quieter. As a result of lowering their speed - all the way to an idle - they are also much more efficient. This is especially true for a house which will have at most 200-300 watts in load for 2/3 of the day (overnight and while you are at work).
Although as you can see from my post above, you don't have to run a genset 24/7 during an outage as some think you do. You might as well, if you have the fuel, if you expect the outage to be short. Its nice to have lights when you get up for a midnight bathroom run. However, if a long-term outage hits you can rely on thermal carryover in the fridge and freezer to last most of the day. Run it several times during the day for 2 hours each and your stuff will stay cold, for maximum fuel savings. Personally I do it 2 hours in the morning and then 4-6 hours at night. Unless I know something really bad has happened and then I'll revert to several times a day - and be sure to eat all the perishable food first so I can stop using up my fuel supply.
Keep your eye on places like Craigslist and once in a while a cheap Honda inverter-generator will show up.
I love solar and plan to go all the way eventually, but solar has its drawbacks, too. A grid-tied system will not work during an outage. Ironic, but true. An off-grid system is necessary but that means buying and maintaining a battery bank. They require watering every few months. I have a 22 kw battery bank which I use for shorter outages with my UPS and keeping up on the maintenance is a pain.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 2:36pm |
I met a woman from Iowa a few years ago at a conference that was totally off the grid with solar and wind. If I ever move out of town I would like to do this. She and her husband were quite comfortable with their power system, and were living a fully modern life. They were heating with wood which I wouldn't want to do, so I would still have some connection.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 4:30pm |
Originally posted by Keith-N-Dar
I met a woman from Iowa a few years ago at a conference that was totally off the grid with solar and wind. If I ever move out of town I would like to do this. She and her husband were quite comfortable with their power system, and were living a fully modern life. They were heating with wood which I wouldn't want to do, so I would still have some connection. |
Man.. no way would I willingly turn my heat pump back on. Wife and I actually miss the stove come spring. We will both be sitting here trying to decide if it will get cool enough over night, if we leave the windows open, to be able to at least have a morning fire. just to "knock the chill off"...lol It is a bit more "interactive" than the set it and forget it thermostat lifestyle.. but we see it as a good thing.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 4:52pm |
After loosing power for several days...I went to buy a house gen-set. I was worried about gasoline storage also. The sales person convinced me to have a plumber tap into my natural gas feed line for my furnace rather than use gasoline. The nat. gas burns much cleaner and a lot less gunk in the lube oil. And no worries about the old unused gas going bad.
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