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    Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 10:50am
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We were traveling over the coastal mountains from Eureka to Red Bluff in early May and ran into some heavy, slushy snow. I have AT tires on my 2WD tow vehicle and was sure glad to in that situation. The Rpod, with the Wild peak AT3 tires pulled nicely behind with no sway or sliding on the twisty road.  I am by no means a tire expert, but I can't help but think that if I had highway tread the Rpod, I would have experienced much more sway and sliding in those conditions.

Ditto on the Westlakes not holding tire pressure. They would routinely lose 5psi over a month or so. 
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We run the same brand and weight rating tire as Jato, replacing Westlake junk (also D weight range).  We've had them for a couple years and they're performing very well.  The trailer tracks well in cross-winds and on wet pavement, the pressure (unlike the Westlakes) is maintained while traveling, and the tread wear is even and minimal.  

Flexible sidewalls worry me for a trailer because, as I understand it, they can amplify trailer sway, not to mention increase rolling resistance from tread squirm.  Certainly the flexibility, as Jim Poston points out, can soften the ride, but that seems to be a two edge sword that can be easily solved by selecting the appropriate weight range.  We went from nice squishy load range C to D on our 172 and the improvement in stability and mileage was markedly better.  Nevertheless, those AT tires sure look cool.
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Nearly 2 years ago I purchased my third set of tires for a 177.  First time going to a "D" rated tire and it has made a big difference on tracking in high wind conditions.  Purchased Carlisle Radial HD ST 205/75/14 - a great tire IMHO.
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LA, I agree with you. I think the aggressive tread pattern is essentially for marketing purposes. If you like the looks of the LT tread then fine, just know they will reduce your fuel economy slightly.

Linda&Gino, you raise a good point re the Rpod wheels. Wheels have load ratings too, just like tires. It turned out the original 14 inch wheels on my 2015 179 were only rated for 1750 lbs, like the tires. When I upgraded I bought pre mounted 15 inch tires and wheels with IIRC around a 2400 lb rating. My 179 was loaded pretty heavy so I had no rough ride issues.

I bought the wheels and tires online and mounted them myself, no big deal. What I saved on mounting costs and selling the existing tires and wheels on CL paid for the upgraded wheels. Few folks want to buy used tires because it's not really worth mounting them but mounted on wheels there seemed to be a ready market.

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Lost Again, the biggest advantage for me switching to LT tires was availability and choices in the particular size the Pod uses. Here in Albuquerque, there are two large tire shops that service most of the RV dealerships and all of them recommended going the LT route rather than ST. Airstream has been using highway tread LT tires on their trailer for several years now. Forest River now uses LT tires on the Wolf Pup series.

One thing both shops refused to do was to put a high pressure valve stem on the Pod wheels. LT tires can go to 80psi, however Rpod wheels are not rated for that high pressure. Your usual rubber valve stem is only rated at 65psi and that is what they installed when I had the tires mounted and balanced. I would be cautious about putting anything above 65psi in LT tires on Rpod rims.


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Originally posted by lostagain

Would someone please explain the advantage of using LT all-terrain tires on a trailer as opposed to an ST specifically made for trailers?

One could be the ability to run less-than-max inflation but still carry design weight.  LT sidewalls can handle more flex.  

Could ease the pounding on the trailer a bit.
 

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I don't get it.  It seems like more trailer manufactures are using LT (light truck) tires on trailers that are of an all terrain design instead of ST (trailer tires) on their new trailers.  They sure look gnarly, but it appears more like a marketing strategy than something to truly enhance performance.  Ideally, a trailer tire should offer low rolling resistance with a relatively non-aggressive tread, and stiff sidewall construction to help stabilize the tendency of a trailer to fishtail or sway.  LT tires have flexible sidewalls, though somewhat stiffer than a passenger (P) tire to enhance cornering and directional control and the aggressive tread pattern helps the drive wheels with traction in soft dirt, snow, or mud.  Since a trailer tire only follows the TV, that sort of traction doesn't seem offer a benefit.  

Would someone please explain the advantage of using LT all-terrain tires on a trailer as opposed to an ST specifically made for trailers?
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If you're running ST tires it is better to run them at rated pressure as intended. That's because they have thick, stiff sidewalls to reduce rolling resistance. Running them at lower pressure creates more sidewall flex which can overheat the tires.

If you find that your ST tires are too stiff at rated pressure than you probably have overrated tires for the application. Tire engineers generally recommend selecting tires rated for around 20-25% higher than 1/2 the axle rating (or actual axle load if that's significantly less). Much below that and you risk tire failure. Much above and you'll be shaking the trailer and contents too much.
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I agree with gpokluda and how they increased the pressure with the heavier load tires, but not excessively.

Your original tires needed to be at max pressure to support the trailer all up weight. With the new 10 ply tires I run at about 70 psi, not the 85 (I think) psi it is rated for.

Pressure should only be checked and adjusted when the tires are cold, I prefer early in the am when sun isn't shining on them...it makes a difference.

If you get a TPMS, you probably will be amazed at how warm they get when you are travelling on a hot day. This is normal, from the rolling resistance, braking hard etc. The pressure in them rises as well and that is normal. Just do your adjustments when they are cold except in an emergency...and then correct once they cool down.

I don't max out the tire pressures (as stated on the side of every tire) as I am not running at the new tires max weight,and no need to have too much air, as that can give a jarring/harsh ride to the trailer.

Hope this helps, ask away if needed!

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