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    Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 8:10am
The 10 AWG cable to the pedestal yes but also the 10 AWG conductors between the connector on the pod and the 30A cb. In my 179 that is about a 10 ft run inside the floor and walls. That part of the circuit would worry me personally the most because its in contact with flammable materials inside the trailer.  Also the trailer connector itself isn't rated for 50A.

Surge protectors are a good idea and offer protection from lightning strikes but won't help for the kind of overcurrent fault we're discussing here. 

On the question of whether the arc fault breakers are better now, I'm not sure but it looks like we're on the 3rd or 4th generation already. The original type from 1999 aren't even allowed anymore. The newer ones are intended to detect series arcs (like from a loose connection) as well as the kind of parallel line to line and line to ground arcs we've been discussing. So they are still adding features and sorting the technology out. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 7:57am
Greetings 
The pods have a 110 volt breaker on the panel in the pod which Is I believe a 30 amp.  So the main concern is the 10 gauge cable to the station.  The surge protectors are a very good idea.  Many campgrounds have old systems and of course a nearby lightning strike or high winds could cause problems

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 7:13am
By upstream I mean toward the direction from which power is flowing, eg, the pedestal, downstream I mean toward the loads. 

The 30A CB in the pod has no way to know if there is a fault upstream from it. It only knows about load and fault currents flowing through it heading downstream. If the fault is in the cable or in the trailer connector or in the conductors between the trailer connector and the pod breaker panel then the conductors from the pedestal to the fault will see the total of the fault current plus the load currents of anything you have on in the trailer. The trailer cb will see the load currents only. If the load currents are 30A or less and the combined fault and load currents exceed 30A but are less than 50A then neither the park's 50A nor the pod's 30A breaker will trip, but the 30A rated conductors up to the fault location will overheat. That is where the fire risk lies.

That being said mcarter, I have no issues with your decision to continue to use your 50 to 30A dogbone (or to leave your propane cylinder on).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 2:12pm
Well team, I'm still going to use my 50A to 30A dogbone, and to me it is not a risk decision. There's nothing that indicates a fire risk, granted you can have HOT risk from bad cables, that cable is bad on a 30A CB too. I also think the Pod 30A CB sees any power applied "upstream" like the Micro and AC. Probably still travel with propane ON.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by offgrid

BTW are you sure about the early 90s date? AFCIs weren’t in the code till the 1999 cycle which most jurisdictions adopted in 2002 so I don’t think they were available yet in the early 90s. Mine was one of the first houses in my area to get them.
No I am not sure, as they are all gone now, and we replaced them shortly after moving in in 1996. All I know is that when we turned on, or turned off lights that were on one of those circuits, we would get a false trip, and have to go over to the panel and reset one of them. If we were running an iron or some other mid-to-moderate load and unplugged without turning the device off, the small arc at the plug would trip them. So maybe they weren't AFCI, but they were sure acting like AFCI.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:34pm
I had to take out my 2011 Arc Fault breakers that code made me installed when I built the place. Even the electrical inspector told me they would start falsely tripping after a year or so. He was right, so now I have two $40 paperweights. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:20am
The AFCIs weren’t improved by early 2003 when I rewired my old house in Maryland. I had to replace them all with conventional breakers after final. They would trip constantly from anything with a motor load.

BTW are you sure about the early 90s date? AFCIs weren’t in the code till the 1999 cycle which most jurisdictions adopted in 2002 so I don’t think they were available yet in the early 90s. Mine was one of the first houses in my area to get them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:07am
In a metaphysical sense, we can't really "violate" any of the laws of Mother Nature.  I was using violate in the sense of not respecting the law or paying attention to it.  To often we don't pay attention to this concept.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:38am
I surely hope that AFCIs have improved. The previous owner of our home did an addition, and the subpanel feeding it was equipped with AFCI circuit breakers (circa 1994). What a pain those things were! We ended up replacing all of them with conventional circuit breakers, and just installed conventional GFCI outlets in the bathrooms. No more nuisance tripping.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:13am
Well...you can't actually violate ohm's law.....Tongue

If you rephrase it to say that neglecting to take Ohm's law into account can have bad consequences then I'm with you.  

To try avoid the potential for argument, as yet another disclaimer, I would just like to be sure everyone interested has a clear fact based understanding of the issues, then what you do or don't do about it is a risk/reward decision and as such is a matter of personal opinion. 
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