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    Posted: 19 Jun 2015 at 11:11am
Thanks Charlie.  Tongue

BluRdg - One trip per year running every other day, and only because using a TV as a battery charger is very inefficient.  You'll burn about 1 gallon per hour idling, where a smaller inverter-generator will burn 1-2 gallons per day depending on its size.  If you only have one long trip per year then burning a few extra gallons of gas is far cheaper than buying an expensive generator (you don't want a cheap contractor screamer or you won't even want to camp with yourself).  If you do many boondocking trips every year and expect to do it for many years than spending the money on a generator is the way to go.  If you will never use the microwave or A/C you can get away with a Honda 1000 watt inverter-generator just for battery charging.  It is also very quiet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2015 at 8:39am
I just want to say, given the situation you describe, you should check your battery.  If you have a battery charger, hook that up and make sure the battery will take a charge.  Batteries do die.

Next, maybe take your TV somewhere else and have new eyes take a look at your charging wire hookup.  It sounds like it might be deficient.  Not hooked up right, too small a wire, too small a ground wire.

Everything else folks have said is great too.  For a week or two in the woods, you will need a way to charge the battery during that time.  A generator is one sure solution.  It has its advantages and disadvantages, as all solutions do, but it's probably the surest way to go.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2015 at 8:30am
Originally posted by BluRdgMtnGirl

Doug, is there any reason why one shouldn't use jumper cables to charge battery more than once a year or were you just referring to the inconvenience factor?


I'll jump in here and put words in Doug's mouth. Nothing wrong with using jumper cables multiple times. In fact, I think they're a lot more convenient than a generator rig if you don't also want air conditioning. Use good quality #4AWG 100% pure copper cables. You should have jumpers anyway for the TV.

http://www.sears.com/diehard-platinum-20ft-450a-4-gauge-booster-cable/p-02871304000P?prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

The 20 foot length makes it easier to position the TV. Avoid aluminum wire and anything that does not say 100% and/or pure copper. Spend a little more and do it right.

As for batteries your first upgrade should be to a pair of GC2 6 volt golf cart batteries in series. They will give you 30% more than adding the second GP24 battery, will fit on the existing rack, and are electrically preferable (series vs parallel).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 10:00pm
Doug, is there any reason why one shouldn't use jumper cables to charge battery more than once a year or were you just referring to the inconvenience factor?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 6:20pm
If the +12 line running from your battery to the Bargeman on the TV isn't at least 10 gauge wire (8 is better), just using the DC mode of the fridge can drop the voltage enough that you will actually discharge the battery on a long trip.  Add a battery that is already low and you have more problems.  The ground wire should also be very large between the Bargeman and whatever screw attaches it to the frame, since it carries the sum of all the things running on the camper - lights, brakes, fridge, battery.

I generally recommend just using propane mode on the road.  That way if your battery is low it has full access to the power available to recharge it - like after a week in the woods.

A double battery will last you about a week, you'll still need some way to boost it.  You do NOT need to fully recharge it, just get it up to 80% and keep it above 30% to prevent damage (usually you want to keep it above 50%).  Using good jumper cables and your TV for 30-60 minutes every other day (not every day) is fine for one trip a year, as mentioned.  More than that and you'll want a generator or solar.  Keep in mind that even a little shading will drop a solar panel's output so if you camp in the shade that won't be an option.  If you use a generator you'll also want to wait for every other day, 30-60 minutes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 6:07pm
By the way, the reason I didn't suggest going to two group 27 or 29 batteries is that they won't fit on the tongue side-by-side unless you do some major modifications, like mounting a large tool box.  If you do that, and wire two group 27s in parallel, you'd get substantially more amp hours than two group 24s.  But two group 24s will fit on the tongue without any mods (other than mounting a second battery box), so your investment is fairly minimal ($100 or less).  I went that route.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 5:32pm
Very good summary of suggestions Mountainrev.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 4:57pm
Do you camp in one place for two weeks?  Or do you move around to other National Forest sites during that time?  I don't believe any battery or batteries will last two weeks without a charge, even with minimal battery use.  There are lots of peripherals that draw current, like the "brains" of the fridge, the inverter, the CO detector, etc. 

You can take some fairly simple steps to increase amp hours and decrease battery use, such as adding a second group 24 battery, going to one larger (group 27 or 29) battery, or going to two 6 volt golf cart batteries.  Switching standard bulbs inside for LEDs will save battery use.  The big draw on the battery is the furnace.  If you are camping in places where it gets cold at night, try to use the furnace as little as possible.

Beyond that, if you are going two weeks at a time without charging, you will likely have to look into purchasing a generator to charge up your battery.  In a pinch, you can charge your battery with your tow vehicle via jumper cables, but that's not a long-term solution.  Another possibility is solar.  But to do more than just top off a battery, you'll need to invest in some large panels.  That's definitely not my area of expertise, so others will have to chime in, but I know that the cheapie Harbor Freight, etc., small solar panels will not meet your needs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2015 at 7:09pm
Hi all, just wondering about my battery and how long it's holding the charge...I changed cars last summer and had the brake lines put on but my mechanic did not include the charge wire so my car did not charge the battery while driving several hours...this spring I had him put the charge wire on it and I thought it was charging but when I just went on a trip after driving about 7 hours the battery only had 2/3 charge; then when I returned after driving the same amount the battery was dead! So, I don't think the wires are correct as it is not charging. I am taking both the car and 171 in tomorrow for him to look at them together. We camp at a National forest for about 2 weeks each summer. What do you all suggest for increasing the battery life. I have thought about solar chargers, have seen where some of you have used double batteries and double propane tanks. What do you all recommend? I appreciate all your comments and suggestions! Thank you!
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