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    Posted: 28 Jul 2014 at 11:26pm
Agree on many points here.  You are ok on a 15 amp circuit at home, just don't use a cheap extension cord.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jul 2014 at 12:54pm
Both CharlieM and Furpod (great name - with 3 dogs, that might be our R-Pod's nickname!) are right. If you do go up in breaker size, make sure you rewire to handle that capacity. If you plan to put in a 20 amp, you might as well put in a 30 amp since you'd be rewiring anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 9:43pm
thanks charlie.....i will never stop.   hogone
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 7:49pm
Hogone,

On the extension cord, always err on the side of safety. If you want to trash it I won't tell if you don't.

On the AC motor you really can't tell. The danger is from overheating. If you didn't smell the essence of burning motor you're alright.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 7:48pm
I would bet the cord is not a large enough gage. You need a very heavy duty cord for a long run. A regular cord can overheat. Remember, the R-Pod would also be trying to charge your batteries while running the A/C , and add to the amp burden the extension cord and house breaker must carry.
When I use my Honda 2000 genny to run the A/C, I shut off my converter charger breaker in the Pod.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 6:30pm
sorry, one other question.  when you say potential damage to motor, you mean air conditioner moter?  how would you know?  when I hooked it up with the big boys (cords) everything worked nicely.  hogone
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 6:27pm
charlie:  no apparrent burns/discoloration but the cord seems or I should say is wrinkly (tuff to describe!!) I have no problem trashing if a potentail hazard.   hogone
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 1:13pm
Thanks CharlieM. I is really a shame that you get get the right answers out of the Technicians!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 9:27am
Originally posted by hogone

one other question.   is that cord (the orange one that got hot) shot?  hogone


Your cord is probably OK, just inspect it. Any signs of damage like melted or discolored material and it's trash. Otherwise watch for overheating when in use.

Your tale is an excellent example of the effects of voltage drop on motors. An AC motor is essentially a constant power device. If the applied voltage drops due to a small wire (high AWG number) cord the motor will draw more current to compensate. The effect is more current through the breaker (pop), fire hazard in the cord (sirens), and potential damage to the motor ($$$).

A little understood fact is that a circuit breaker is sized to protect the wire, not the appliance. It is primarily a fire safety device. A 15 Amp breaker will protect #14AWG wire; a 20 Amp breaker protects #12AWG wire. So a #16AWG extension cord on a 15 Amp circuit can actually catch fire without the breaker tripping.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Leo B

At our walk thru, this past Friday. The tech told us specifically not to do that. Said that the a/c should only run when plugged into a campground or a generator that was 3500 watts or larger. He didnt talk about wire gauges or anything but did say it could melt the hockey puck cord adapter. 


I rest my case re dealers and their knowledge, or lack thereof. Unfortunately dealers often cover their lack of knowledge with incorrect information.

A 15 Amp house breaker will run the AC if connected with a proper cord and if the breaker runs nothing else in the house or in the Pod. It's marginal, but it will work. A 20 Amp circuit is better and a 30 Amp circuit is ideal. Wire gauge is critical for operation and safety. A #10 or short #12 is fine. Anything less is a fire risk and potentially damaging to the AC motor.

He was right about the hockey puck. The little black plastic pucks are an invitation to trouble. I think the heavier molded yellow rubber ones are better, but they are also rated at 15 Amps. The dog bone adapters should be fine.

As a side note there needs to be more awareness of extension cord capabilities. Not all extension cords are equal.

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