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    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 7:02pm
How does the rod vanish? Is there a core that doesn't dissolve?  

I took the rod out to empty the tank and it is very thin at the base but still fat in the middle and end. Is it going to just fall off, or it there a core that remains no matter what? This is after only one summer. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 6:09pm
An interesting fact

The change in volume is not a constant. The density of water changes with temperature. 

You should be able to calculate the change in volume using data on the specific volume of water at 60° F (0.01603 cubic feet per pound) and 90° F (0.01610 cubic feet per pound). 

The percent increase is 0.01610/0.01603 = 1.0044. 

This would be a 0.44 percent increase in volume.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 10:46am
    I always drain mine through the low point drains.  No pressure and then very little water splashing me when I remove my anode rod.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 5:35am
    Originally posted by Bill-GA


    Originally posted by TrinityTurret

    Anode rod shoots out like an arrow?I'm investigating draining the water heater, but came across videos & posts about people who simply unscrewed the anode rod and WHOOSH, the rod shot out like an arrow. Do NOT want that to happen to me. So, to remove that built-up pressure, if I simply open the hot water knob on the sink, will that be enough to avoid this happening?


    Make sure the heater tank T-values are in the Heater position (normal) so the pressure will bleed out thru the sink faucet. 


    Yes, what he said. but you do need to open the tap to drain the pressure.

    Mine didn't shoot out like an arrow, but I did get a face full of water the first couple of times I removed it. Now I open the tap and remove the pressure.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 10:31pm
    Originally posted by TrinityTurret

    Anode rod shoots out like an arrow?

    I'm investigating draining the water heater, but came across videos & posts about people who simply unscrewed the anode rod and WHOOSH, the rod shot out like an arrow. Do NOT want that to happen to me. So, to remove that built-up pressure, if I simply open the hot water knob on the sink, will that be enough to avoid this happening?

    Make sure the heater tank T-values are in the Heater position (normal) so the pressure will bleed out thru the sink faucet. 
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 10:20pm
    Anode rod shoots out like an arrow?

    I'm investigating draining the water heater, but came across videos & posts about people who simply unscrewed the anode rod and WHOOSH, the rod shot out like an arrow. Do NOT want that to happen to me. So, to remove that built-up pressure, if I simply open the hot water knob on the sink, will that be enough to avoid this happening?
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    Just for fun..

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2013 at 10:08am
    Yes, it's easy to think that it must have something to do with air at the top, but it's not actually. If you go look at water heaters at the hardware store of your choice.. if that was how they worked, some water heaters have the safety valve halfway down their body.. lot of air..

    As stated, opening the pressurized system is.. entertaining. it's best to turn off pump or disconnect from city water, then open the sink faucets to relieve the static pressure before removing the anode.. or.. make sure to have someone videoing the pressurized opening..lol

    Here is a link to what they do and how they work.. If the system is working properly, while there is a slight pressure rise based on the WH expanding the water in the tank, your plumbing system is designed to hold that pressure, it's when it malfunctions, and heats to high, that bad things can happen. MythBusters did a pretty good episode on it. I think they shot the core of a standard residential WH 400 feet into the air, after it went through a ceiling and roof structure.. Took well above 300psi in the system if I remember right, and they achieved that pressure by removing/bypassing all the safety devices..

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    I was forced to learn a whole lot more about plumbing in homes then most people need to know because of the reef tank, I have all kinds of "extra" pluming, pressure gauges etc. Then I got to learn all about RV plumbing by not using a pressure reducing valve when hooking up the 'stream in a campground that had "spotty" pressure. Cry
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2013 at 9:05am
    Interesting furpod.  I've just eyeballed the height of the upper water line and the pressure relief valve and from what I could see, the valve was higher.  That might still be true, but the air pocket that is left gets compressed so much that the water line is above the pressure relief valve.
     
    ontheroad - actually the water pump is between the fresh water tank and the rest of the system.  It is before the water heater so opening the hot water valves should have removed any pressure in the system.  Even opening the cold water valves should do that - as far as I know there are no backpressure-prevention valves in the system which would prevent the pressure in the water heater from pushing backwards through the cold water system.  Then opening the pressure relief valve should have definitely removed any pressure, if you left it open. 
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 11:12pm
    Stern SmileI'm truly amazed at the various thoughts.  My very first home was an 1860's farmhouse with a jet pump hooked up to a sand point.  The pump eventually went south and I replaced it with one of the bladder types and had to pump air into the bladder.  It was vaguely explained 'how much air pressure' and I ended up guessing at the pressure and living with it for the next fifteen years with nary a problem. 

    So I thought this would be fairly simple.  I drained all the water from the fresh water tank (no city  water hook-up was ever involved).  I opened all the hot water valves thinking they are somehow involved in the system (after thinking more later I realized the water pump is in between so that was a moot effort).  O.K. Water is gone. I opened the pressure relief valve just a crack and it spit an almighty blast of spray all over the work area, me and anything else within three feet.  That was nuthin'. I then decided it would be better to loosen the anode and let all the water out the bottom end.  I used the 1-1/16" socket I'd found and ratchet the anode out....once it got close to the last few threads it started spitting and I ratcheted faster. "POW" the anode said as it shot across my driveway hitting a brick stair trim wall...along with that 'bullet' came all six gallons...maybe only 5-1/2 who can measure it; but it covered a Lot Of Driveway with white bits of crud and all that water pretty much instantly.....another gallon trickled out and there I stood in total amazement.  I had opened a 'bomb' without knowing it.  I hope anyone reading this will learn from my mistake...what was it?  I should have gotten a large rag or similar and covered the work area and released the pressure valve into a old bucket or waste basket....even the garbage can.  There is obviously quite a bit of static pressure left in these tiny water heaters.  Needless to say the mess of spray was everywhere and I broke out the garden hose and set it on "jet spray".  I then examined the slightly bent anode...straightened it...it was missing a bit of the porous material; but plenty was left for the rest of the season...and reinstalled it, closed the pressure relief valve and refilled about 18 gallons into the fresh water tank and went inside and turned on the pump and got everything up to snuff.

    I welcome all your hilarious comments; but I'm sure there are a few out there that will definitely treat there WH with a bit of respect about this pressure issue.  Thanks for all your comments and we're heading for the Black Hills tomorrow night.
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