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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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Renting one is an excellent idea. Take it up and down some grades, see if you're comfortable. If you're not boondocking then that makes life easier. Keep it light, don't fill the fresh water tank and don't get a dual battery setup or a second propane tank. Do consider getting a weight distribution hitch and using it for your test tow, you can always use it later on whatever trailer/tow vehicle you end up with. It won't give you "leeway" on your numbers but it will make your towing feel a whole lot better. Curb weight isn't supposed to include any people or cargo, Just for the record, the deuce and a half truck that won world war 2 for us carried enormous loads with only 104 hp so towing is more about gearing and ability to carry weight than it is about horsepower, as long as you're not in a hurry. My 83 Toyota class B (we used to call it the bloated tick, it had way more frontal area than an rpod) had the ubiquitous 22R engine. Made all of 97HP. On flat ground with no wind I could cruise at 60! The new 4 bangers are 159 hp. Veritable rockets in comparison. Its all a matter of perspective and expectations.
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podwerkz ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
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Calculations and spreadsheets don't drive 4 cylinder trucks fully loaded with 500-1000 pounds of WD hitch, camping gear and generator, spare gas, spare propane tanks or bottles, food and tools and water and chairs and jacks and spare tires and chains and spare clothing and etc etc all loaded into the bed of the 4 cylinder truck, pulling a 3400 pound trailer with a 450 pound tongue weight (lead acid batteries and propane tanks are heavy) then drive in windy conditions, up and down long mountain grades in the hot summer, passed by large semis causing trailer sway, and trying to stop fast when something happens right in front of you. Not to mention trailer frontal area, which can be a huge load on a 4 cylinder motor pulling into a 20 mph headwind. Makes me shudder just thinking about it.
I have an OBDII ScanGauge in my truck and its interesting to see (in digital readout) the extra horsepower needed just to pull my r-pod 171 down a flat road with no wind. When pulling a grade, the numbers go pretty high. And mine is a 390hp V-8 engine.
I'm sure your Toyota feels substantial to you, but be very careful about your calculations, you have no 'wiggle room' for error. Take the truck's maximum trailer tow capacity, cut it to around 75% and now you MIGHT be in the ballpark of safety. Running the weight numbers is OK in theory, but in real world conditions you always want plenty of reserve. |
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Rkulp89@gmail.com ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 19 May 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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Thank you for the thorough response. I actually do NOT plan on boondocking often, if at all. I just tried to add the max amount of stuff for worse case scenario. I didn't know curb weight included gas but I did just read somewhere that it was suppose to include 150lb driver.. but that also said empty tank... who knows. As you suggested I may check on a taco forum for clarification. I am well aware that the hitch alone does not add any towing capacity (would actually reduce it slightly due to the additional weight) but the point I was trying to make which you've hinted to is that the other models with a hitch have much higher tongue weights. This leads me to believe that it is either limited to 350 off the bumper or rated that way because of power. The 4.56 gears will give me a big advantage when it comes to towing over the 3.307 at the expense of fuel mileage and rpms. For example (see below) the F-150 towing capacity is significantly increased as shorter gears are used. The thought is that the hitch will give me a little leeway on the tongue weight and the gearing will allow me to tow at or near the max capacity without lugging the engine too much. Just as an FYI, the towing package include class IV hitch, trailer wiring, oil cooler, trans cooler (no applicable in my situation) , heavy duty battery and alternator. I think what I am going to do is rent a local R-Pod and tow it around my town for a day to see how it handles before moving forward with anything. ![]() |
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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First, let me say that I'm impressed with how thorough you've been with your evaluation. Usually new owners find out all this stuff after they buy their trailer or tow vehicle. So, great job,
Looking at your numbers, I think your added 811 lbs is not conservative enough. I have dual GC2 batteries and a single propane tank. Dual GC2's weigh in at about 130 lbs (not 90), so that would make your 811 about 850. My 179 weighs about 950 over dry weight when I fill my fresh water tank. And I try to carry minimal tools and "stuff" in the trailer. Things still add up. For example, 90% likely you will want to get rid of the crappy OEM mattress and get a higher quality one which is going to add 20-30 lbs. Bottom line, as you obviously plan to boondock, I'd suggest you plan on around 900-950 over dry weight, which not coincidentally puts your trailer right around its max gross weight. On to your tow vehicle. The smaller weight distribution hitches don't weigh 100 lbs, more like 60-70 or so, so you can save a little bit there. Curb weight is supposed to include a full fuel tank so there's a little more savings. I suspect that you'll have more than 200 lbs in the truck bed though. If you're boondocking you'll either need a generator and fuel (say 100 lbs) or a solar module (say 20-25 lbs), or both. There will be other stuff too. Firewood, a grill, the list goes on. So maybe that washes out. Since you already have the Taco you could load it and take it through a public scale and then you'd know what it really weighs. Putting it all together I think you'll be maybe be couple of hundred lbs under your GCWR. That's not a comfortable margin but you could try it (driving very judiciously) and see how it feels. Where you will have more of a problem is on tongue weight. The propane tank, dual batteries and fresh water tank will probably roughly double your tongue weight, Mine did. If you're really limited to 350 lbs then that is a problem and its not solved by a wdh. The hitch transfers weight to the TV front axle and to the trailer axle but it does not increase your tongue weight rating. If you're right and the tongue weight has been derated for power reasons then maybe you're OK. I'd try asking on one of the Toyota forums and see if anyone there knows the real story. Personally, I'm not worried about your 4 cyl engine. Those things are bullet proof. I've had several over the years including a couple of class B RV's, with both manual and auto trannys. I think that will be fine as long as you're not in a hurry. If you're in hot country you might want a higher capacity radiator, I did that in my class B back in the 80's when I lived in Phoenix and I could go straight up to Flagstaff at 7000 feet on a 115 degree afternoon with no sign of overheating. But that's me, I once drove a 40 HP VW bus clear around the country and never had it faster than 50 mph. ![]() |
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GlueGuy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2707 |
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We had a 2008 Tacoma access cab (AKA cab and a half) with that same 2.7L 4-banger. It was always a bit short in the power department. We towed a utility trailer with it, but I would not have considered it an option for pulling an R-pod. We once took it over Sonora pass (~~ 9600' elevation), and we had to go down to first gear to get over the top WITHOUT a trailer. if we had been pulling a trailer, I think we might have been going backward.
We now have a V6 Tacoma (with the factory tow package). It struggles a bit at high elevation, but nothing like that 2.7L 4-cylinder. However. All things considered, the EcoBoost in our F-150 laughs at high altitude as if it doesn't exist.
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StephenH ![]() podders Helping podders - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6422 |
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By the time you get it loaded, the hitch weight is likely to be above 350 lbs. The 4 cylinder engine is naturally aspirated. If you were only going to be towing on relatively level roads at low altitude, you might be okay. Throw a few thousand feet into the mix and you would very quickly find that the 3500 lb. tow rating is overrated. NA engines loose power as they gain altitude. If it were turbocharged (I had an Escape that had a 2L 4Cyl Ecoboost engine with the same tow rating), you would be better off. As it is, somebody probably installed the hitch since, as you say, it was not a factory option for the 4 cyl engine. Having the hitch does not increase the tow rating. There are more changes such as transmission cooler and (usually) heavier-duty alternator and possibly suspension parts that go into a factory tow package. On top of the weight, you need to consider wind resistance. My Nissan Frontier which has a V6 sometimes struggles with a strong headwind. With a wimpier 4 Cyl engine, it would be nearly impossible to go down an Interstate at 60 mph with a 20+ mph headwind. The factor you need to consider is "frontal area." How much work is needed to push the truck with the trailer through the air. Resistance is not linear, but logarithmic. That is why a pop-up is better for your situation. Perhaps you should look into something like an ALiner. If on the other hand, you do decide you want to go with an RPod, you will most certainly find that you will be wanting to upgrade tow vehicles very quickly.
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StephenH
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Rkulp89@gmail.com ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 19 May 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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Can you please elaborate on this? I see this as a typical response when responding to tow capacity questions but the numbers I've calculated are not 'dry' numbers. I've generously calculated cargo, water, gas, batteries, LP, etc. as you can see in my original post. In fact, the cargo carrying capacity of the trailer + the dry weight is less than the towing capacity of the vehicle so I'm not sure how I will blow right past it. Again, I'm very new to this but have tried to calculate everything I will be pulling in both the truck and the trailer. So can you please let me know what else I might be missing?
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Pod People ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Location: Chapel Hill,NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 1088 |
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Regardless of your towing limits, IF you decide to get a new tow vehicle, DEFINITELY plan on an R Pod with a slide!! We owned a 173 for almost 6 years and loved it. then the 179 bug hit us and we bought a 179 that has a slide. What a difference!! We have not had any issues with the slide. It gives more room inside and makes the unit much more livable and comfortable-particularly when confined due to bad weather or night time. I also was concerned about the slide, having read some horror stories. However, I think the new models have been engineered so well that those problems are in the past. We have visited both east and west R Pod factories and watched the slides being constructed and installed. I have no doubts that the slides are well made, well engineerred and well installed. I would not hesitate to buy an R Pod with a slide. do you get the idea that we love our slide? Good luck!! Vann
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TheBum ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2016 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 1407 |
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You're at least severely limited on which models that pickup can reasonably pull. Forget about towing any of the "big butt" models (179, 180, 190, 195, and maybe one or two others).
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Alan
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podwerkz ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
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Number one, your 4 cylinder Toyota pickup WILL be overloaded. By the time you load up everything, you will blow right past those 'dry' numbers.
Number two, Forest River and most RV manufacturers exclude rental trailers from consumer warranty coverage. If it is financed, they will want to know you are renting it out, and you will need commercial insurance, because regular insurance wont cover this. You might want to look into a pop-up tent trailer, and keep it for your own use. |
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