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    Posted: 18 Oct 2017 at 4:46pm
We have been watching the arrival of the mini/portable units.
When It is time for new ones we will definitely consider them.
Until then the dual GC batteries should do us fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by TheBum

I also have a Respironics System One with dual GC2 batteries, except that mine are 230Ah. The AC power supply is rated at 65W, so I figure I could run my CPAP for 21 hours (115Ah * 12V = 1380WA / 65W) with the humidifier on if that's the only load on the batteries, so the batteries will easily handle a single night of the CPAP with humidifier and all other loads.
Using two of those batteries (230 ah @ 6V), each battery has a total of 1380 WH, for a total of 2760 WH to full depletion. Assuming they are wet batteries, they can safely be depleted to ~~ 50%, for a total of 1380 WH. If they are AGM batteries, they could be depleted (typically) to ~~ 75% depletion, so that would give you ~~ 2070 WH.

My estimate for the wet batteries would be ~~ 1380/65 = 21 hours (what you figured)
My estimate for AGM batteries would be ~~ 2070/65 = 31 hours

Of course, that's assuming that nothing else is drawing from your batteries (unlikely).

If you were using a mini-CPAP that was running at ~~ 20 watts would get 69 hours or 103 hours respectively.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 12:02pm
I also have a Respironics System One with dual GC2 batteries, except that mine are 230Ah. The AC power supply is rated at 65W, so I figure I could run my CPAP for 21 hours (115Ah * 12V = 1380WA / 65W) with the humidifier on if that's the only load on the batteries, so the batteries will easily handle a single night of the CPAP with humidifier and all other loads.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 10:52am
It's funny. We went out on a hike yesterday, and because we were traveling to an area where we don't often go, we turned on the local news/weather/traffic station while going there. Coincidentally, they were advertising a Transcend mini-CPAP, and promoting the low power/DC operation.

It got me to wondering, and it appears that this is a new market segment for people that need to travel with a CPAP. In the little bit that I looked around this morning, I found several different makers of mini-CPAP machines; and many of them operate on DC power from a cigarette lighter plug and/or a small (separate) battery pack. In addition, many of them operate at less than 30 dbA (meaning really quiet).

Several of the ones that I looked at consume less than 20 watts; which would be ~~ 1.7 amps at 12 volts. It seems one of these would be an ideal solution for someone looking to boondock with their CPAP. These are some that I've found:
  • Transcend Auto
  • Z1 Auto
  • Dreamstation Auto
  • ResMed AirMini
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 8:14pm
Stephen, thanks for your informative responses.
We are in Canada and hope to close this week, we plan to store at the dealer until April.
I will p/u Duracells at Batteries plus Bulbs from their outlet on Glenwood Ave in Raleigh as it is only a couple miles from our daughters home.
I did some digging into our ResMed units and there is a humidifier off setting, in addition we can use the main unit without the humidifier attached which should really help the draw.  From what we read with night time humidity in the R-Pod with 2 people sleeping we should not need the extra moisture.
Experience will tell but I feel much better about the dual golf cart batteries than any other option.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 1:59pm
What I did was purchase the two 6V batteries plus the cable needed to connect them together and took them with me when I went to pick up our 179. Because I did not take the 12V battery, the dealer did give me a credit which I used in the store to purchase some of the accessories we needed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 6:17am
Furpod, shows how much I have to learn, I will see if they will sell it without the battery and take the one out of our MG to pick it up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 5:42am
Originally posted by NAP1947

As you all realize I am no electric expert and typing skills are not great either.
Thank you for the advice, I did not realize that we could turn off the CPAP heaters, in fact we do not even need to use the tank and being that I have read humidity can be a problem in the Pod perhaps that might meet our needs.
I will go with the single 12 volt or get the dealer to not provide a battery at all and then get golf cart batteries and case in the US.
Assuming your calculations are better than mine, I believe it is worth going the battery route, that is my first choice and if we find the need we could consider a generator at a later date.
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Here is a bit of rub.. you can't "tow without a battery installed. It's what powers the emergency breakaway for the braking system. ANY 12v battery that works, will do. But you have to have one installed and functional, to tow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 9:04pm
As you all realize I am no electric expert and typing skills are not great either.
Thank you for the advice, I did not realize that we could turn off the CPAP heaters, in fact we do not even need to use the tank and being that I have read humidity can be a problem in the Pod perhaps that might meet our needs.
I will go with the single 12 volt or get the dealer to not provide a battery at all and then get golf cart batteries and case in the US.
Assuming your calculations are better than mine, I believe it is worth going the battery route, that is my first choice and if we find the need we could consider a generator at a later date.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 6:49pm
+1 on the dual GC2 batteries. I use a CPAP machine. I installed 12V outlets so I could run it directly (Respironics System One). I use the humidifier at home but when I am in the R-Pod, I put water in the tank but set it to "0" to save power. That way, I have passive humidification from the air passing over the water but I save power. I have gone multiple nights with the CPAP with the furnace also running.

I think the power draw mentioned above is the maximum use. Mine has 12V 6.67A on the label and to use with either a 60W or 80W power supply. The 80W is for use with a heated hose, which I don't have. Doing the math on the label figures, the maximum power draw is 80.04 Watts. Most of that power is used to heat the water in the humidifier. Turn the humidifier off, and the power draw is much less, but there is no label to tell how much of that power draw is for the humidifier and how much for the main unit. The best I can find out by searching is that without the humidifier, the CPAP unit will draw approximately 1.8A, depending on pressure. It will draw less when you exhale. Let's say 2A per unit. That would be 4A/hour to run the two CPAP machines without the humidifiers. If you go with the GC2 batteries, you should not have any problems powering them at night. Then you could use a generator during daytime hours to charge the batteries.

If you look at my mods, you will see my batteries. I got the 215 AH Duracell batteries at Batteries plus Bulbs. You can get a discount if you order online and pick up in your nearest store. They do have a military discount.
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