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StephenH ![]() podders Helping podders - pHp ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6297 |
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One of the reasons I purchased the dual-fuel Firman generator was so that I could run it on propane and not worry about ethanol or about carrying gasoline. I've only run it on propane and intend to do so. Propane does not generator quite as much power, but it burns much cleaner.
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chasl ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 2021 Location: New Mexico Online Status: Offline Posts: 30 |
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Thanks for all the information in this post. I've learned a lot about gas and ethanol. In some places you can buy non-ethanol gas, but we don't have that option.
I've heard that ethanol in gas can degrade/decompose rubber, etc gaskets in small engines if left to sit. I haven't had this issue with my generator, but I run the carburetor dry before storing, and I use Sta-bil in the gas. I may try to remove the ethanol with the just add water, shake, and siphon technique. I would rather not put ethanol gasoline in the generator. I bought a Champion 3400 about 5 years ago, and used it a few times around the house (power outage) and for camping in our R-Pod. I have 2 Pb-acid flooded batteries, so I installed a 190W solar panel on top, and also purchased a Renology 200W solar to beef up so we won't need to use the generator for recharging batteries too often here in the sunny west. We use the generator to run our convection/microwave, and so my wife can use a blowdryer on her hair after showers. It will run the AC but we usually camp in high altitude and don't need to use it. One question about 85 octane. Is that ok to use in the small engine of the generator. I assume so but better ask.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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Ethanol increases octane rating so it does not reduce engine power. It increases it. Without the ethanol your 87 octane E10 would be about 85 octane. But you have to burn it faster so it reduces mpg.
It is an oxygenating agent (like MBTE before it) so it reduces carbon monoxide production in engines. It is a whole lot more environmentally safe than MBTE was. So it's a good additive in modern auto engines which get used all the time. In small occasional use engines and older fuel systems where the ethanol can attack the materials it's bad. In high humidity environments it's bad because ethanol is hydrophilic. Keep your fuel containers and gas tanks full and replace the fuel every month or two. You can use the old stuff in you car. Want to change your E10 fuel to non-ethanol gas? Just add water and shake well. Then decant the gasoline off the top of the water/ethanol mix. Your problem will be what to do with the 100 proof of so mess you have left over. Don't drink it ![]() |
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campman ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2021 Location: La Salle, MB Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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So, ethanol reduces engine power on top of all the other damage to engines it can do if left untreated. In the case of any engine that is used sporadically it can kill them before you know it due to its hydroscopic nature...it draws water out of the fuel as well as from the ambient air around it(unless you take appropriate preventive steps). The more water in the air around it, the more it absorbs. High humidity means more water being absorbed into your fuel, sitting on the bottom of your tank.
For generators and other intermittent use motors you need to get as little of it in your small engines and tanks as possible, always treat your fuel to prevent the ethanol from separating from your gasoline and absorbing water with a good quality fuel stabilizer. Empty your carb (turn off your petcock/fuel shut off or run it out of fuel) when the generator is finished being used to further prevent gum/varnish deposits, keep your tank either completely full or empty for extended periods of time to further safeguard your fuel system and extend the life of your motor as less moist air comes in contact with your fuel. These are the best ways to get the most bang for your hard earned buck over the long term. Sta-bil, Seafoam, Phaseguard...all very good stabilizers and did I mention do the same for your boats, mowers, chainsaws, whipper-snippers, blowers, wood chippers and infrequently used cars trucks? Further examples of where to do the same thing and save yourself money, time and frustration. Fuel can go bad/skunky in only a couple of months and heat can make it break down even more quickly then that as well. Bad ethanol, bad. Now go back to your cornfield until you make something better of yourself! :-) Andy |
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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The science is not wrong. Since practically all (over 98%) of the gasoline sold in the US is E10 and has been for many years now, of course any modern vehicles are optimized to run on it. So unless you are driving around in something from the 80's or earlier (and probably not even then), you can expect around the 3-4% difference in fuel economy. That's what the USDOE reports, and what the manufacturer's engineering staff reports as well. |
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podwerkz ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
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The math may be wrong on the chalkboard or the computer screen but in the real world the math is correct. Since typical gasoline engines and even typical flex-fuel engines are not optimized for burning a 90-10 blend (or any other blend) then yes...we get about 10 percent less range per tank, or 10% less mpg. I have verified this many times. |
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Masternav ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jun 2021 Location: Montana Online Status: Offline Posts: 5 |
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Your point is valid, but your math is off significantly. Ethanol produces 70% of the energy of gas, so if gasoline has 10% ethanol content, then it will produce 3% less energy than pure gasoline, not 10% less as you stated.
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campman ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2021 Location: La Salle, MB Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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Hmm, I think there is another thing to consider in regards to noise and inverter generators. This is the amount a generator has to power (rev) up to be able to provide the needed power. My 2000 watt Champion would have to go to max speed whenever a heavier load was demanded. This makes quite a bit more noise to achieve the same result as compared to when I use my 3300 (surge) watt Firman.
The Firmman is larger and heavier but barely comes over its idle speed when I load it up. They are both very quiet but the larger genny is quieter when under load as it doesn't have to work as hard... so for my uses, it is much quieter which is good for me and even better, considerate of anyone around us. My Firman is so capable I use it in power outages at our home...I plug in the sump pump (a very active device where I live, all year 'round), 10 cubic feet freezer, full size fridge and freezer simultaneously and the genny quietly purrs away with the little burps of extra noise when the loads cycle on and off. (Just make sure to replace the spark plug before using it with a good quality one! Throw away the stock plug as it is/was junk...mine was cracked from factory) Just another note keeping in mind I have a truck with a cap, so more room to store it when travelling and I don't mind having my gas cans in the back as well. Many different considerations need to be taken into account to make the right choice and everyone is different in their needs. |
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Andy and Laurie
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campman ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2021 Location: La Salle, MB Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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Lots of good, pertinent info has been shared as to various price points/manufacturers, sizes, AC mods (EasyStart), fuel types (propane and ethanol free/treated fuel), engine sizes/electrical output depending on the OP's needs. We all agree that an inverter generator is the way to preferred way to go for noise and providing clean power (all your electronic devices will thank you by lasting longer and not letting the smoke out...but that is a different story!)
Now I wait for any other questions or concerns to be posted or maybe even an update once all this info has been digested! It is actually a good reference to anyone just learning about generators and fuel as well. Maybe it should be marked as a reference thread? Just a thought and that could make it easier to find in the future. :-) |
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Andy and Laurie
'16 F150 5.0 4X4 w/factory tow pkg '21 RP192 "If the women don't find you handsome...at least let them find you handy!" Red-Green |
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fwunder ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Oct 2013 Location: New Jersey Online Status: Offline Posts: 1676 |
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If you can figure out a way to get here in NJ, I'll sell you my lightly used and well maintained 2400 Watt Yamaha EF2400iSHC for less than $1000.00. I'll even thrown in the Yamaha cover. I'm getting old and it's a little too heavy for me. Just not using it much anymore.
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