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    Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 9:16pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 10:10pm
You have to market that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 10:37pm
That looks GREAT
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 7:00am
That looks great marwayne.

But.....

The weakest points are just outboard of where the axle tube is attached to thr frame supports.  The tube gets pushed up under load at those points. I might be missing something but I don't see in the pics where you have reinforced those areas. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 8:56am
Interesting....

And useless to the end user. This is a warranty to the OEM (FR). Also it excludes overloading and unreasonable use.....as determined by Lippert in their sole discretion. So, FR would have to want to take on your case, and be willing to attempt to prove that your axle wasn't overloaded or encountered unreasonable use (like say hitting a curb). Good luck with that Tongue

Basically, there is no joy in Mudville with warranties like this for an individual user. We can let one of our resident laywers weigh in but I'd guess you'd need to show a pattern of similar failures and iniitiate a class action suit to get any traction. 

And pretty clearly the axles aren't failing at loads below 3500 lbs just sitting there. The argument would be what is a reasonable safety factor to apply to an axle rating. I've seen numbers in the 2.5-4x range in the vehicle world to address bump loading, but it doesn't look like there is a single accepted standard. What the indiviudual manufacturers use internally is a trade secret. I think the Lippert axles as used on the rPods have a load factor of around 2.5 to 3.0, so toward the bottom end of the range, but not way out of the norm. Just my $0.02.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 9:05am
For most of us the warranty is not worth a Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte [if you don't know what that's worth, look it up just for fun] since it is not transferable to the owner of a second hand trailer.  The warranty doesn't cover altered axles, such as was done by Toyanvil and marwayne.  And it doesn't cover damage related to the attachment of the axle to the frame, which is precisely the problem with its use on the Pod.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 9:35am
Unless there is something outboard of the frame members that I'm missing, then I'm inclined to agree with offgrid. The weak point in the axle design is the long moment arm outboard of the frame attach points. The basic issue is the wheels & tires & torsion arm are cantilevered outboard of the frame. The solution that Toyanvil came up with and the one that offgrid did to reinforce that area look like viable solutions to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 10:24am
I did the same as Toyanvil. Toyanvil stated that nothing is attached to the frame but to the risers, that's what I did.Toyanvil attached on the outside, I attached it on the inside.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 11:51am
Originally posted by marwayne

I did the same as Toyanvil. Toyanvil stated that nothing is attached to the frame but to the risers, that's what I did.Toyanvil attached on the outside, I attached it on the inside.

It looks like yours is the middle ground between the other two designs.

It will be interesting to read updates on how each of the three designs work in real life.
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