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Countrygent
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Topic: Check Your Windows! Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 10:40pm |
I recently had a problem with my shore power plug having shorted on the trailer side and after looking around my neck of the woods found a well-recommended independent repairer/rebuilder. I had some other work I wanted done, but noted in particular that the exterior plastic and rubber components - the handles on the dump valves, the flanges on the dump valve covers, had UV fatigue and just snapped or crumbled from normal use in just a few years. Then the window and roof seals, and the plastic bead that covers the main sidewall channels were both badly deteriorated. Clearly an inability of the materials used to withstand just sitting outdoors for a few seasons. Another example - rusting of the steel bottom frame - clearly a higher quality coating and painting of that frame would resist spot rusting for more than 3 years off the lot.
What do you think? I asked the owner. His answer - the entire industry uses cheap components and quick construction methods to try and maximize their margins and slide through the warranty period. Basically, "they don't make them like they used to". His language was a bit saltier.
As our conversation went on he took me over to look at a 3 year old Class A ... $150K plus motor home and showed me how many of the components were the same as on the RPod or 90% of RV's for that matter. Fact is now a few component suppliers totally dominate the market - latches, hinges, seals, sealing compounds, window and door assemblies, piping, valves, appliances ... design and perhaps assembly technique is the main difference among many.
If RV's were built with the kind of materials and specs that are put into marine applications by reputable boat builders, they would stand up to use and the elements much better but the cost would put them out of reach of most of the folks who buy them now. And lots of folks are remembering simpler times when heavier materials were used, amenities were much fewer therefore the product was less complex ... the entire attitude about obsolescence and replacement was different.
Get the best bang for our buck and then take it upon yourself to maintain and repair and be vigilant because the durability is suspect otherwise.
It's the world we live in. Things are not built to last as long as they once were, quite the opposite, they are calculated to find the lowest input costs to make them last just long enough to satisfy the standards of the marketplace. When they start to really deteriorate whether from use or abuse they will generally be so outdated that it makes major repair unrealistic. Forest River is playing in a marketplace where they watch the competition and the standards and price points, the quality of labour and supervision they can afford, etc.,. are well known to them. I think it is great when people hold their feet to the fire and make them stand behind their promises as to quality, but at the end of the day the whole industry is in a race to make them shiny and pretty enough and cheap enough to roll off the dealers lots as fast as possible.
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CharlieM
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Posted: 11 Jan 2016 at 12:30pm |
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Following Furpod's thinking, if this guy goes AS the implosion will be a Supernova.
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Charlie
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kymooses
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Posted: 11 Jan 2016 at 12:24pm |
LOVE this thread, bookmarked for life!
I have gone through bowls of popcorn happily reading this.
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furpod
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Posted: 11 Jan 2016 at 10:41am |
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Also, a small mean part of my brain hopes he bit the bullet and bought an Airstream.. I will be watching the airforums for him, because he will implode if he did. Trust me in 6 years of 'stream ownership and being on the forums there, an occasional trip into the new owner problems area is interesting to say the least.. $70-100K for a lot of the same issues..
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furpod
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Posted: 11 Jan 2016 at 10:38am |
Originally posted by J&Jcf
I have owned a number of campers and had leaks in most. Do not forget that the campers are flexing as they are towed down the road. I don't leave home without caulk,caulk gun, duct tape, plumbers hanging strapping, Teflon tape and the basic tools to make repairs. I also will not own a trailer with a slide out ( extra weight & another hole in the camper to leak ). Just my opinion & choice. I also never buy new . I don't want to take the depreciation hit. I am also very handy in making my own repairs.
This doesn't make it OK to produce a product that has problems and not stand behind it. |
But see, there is the rub, He clearly stated he refused to take it in for warranty work. FR, and/or his dealer, never got an opportunity to address a single one of his "issues". I am betting on "buyers remorse".
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Camper Bob
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Posted: 11 Jan 2016 at 10:14am |
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I had posted this recently but it seems to have disappeared into a black hole. Some friends or ours purchased a high end 38' diesel pusher, last year, and spent around $250K. They have had a number of small problems and finally the owner sent a letter to the president of the manufacturer. The manufacturer to their credit, responded quickly and picked up the coach and took it for repairs. That was before the holidays and they still don't have it back. My point is that even spending $250K there are still "teething" problems with RV's. Unfortunately it is the nature of the industry and having a rolling house on wheels. If you are expecting perfection from any RV manufacturer, you are in for a rude awakening. However, once the initial delivery problems are solved, you will have a long term camping experience with a very solid RV. I would think twice about selling and expecting a better made RV from another manufacturer. I haven't heard of any warranty defects not being fixed by either the dealer or FR. All RV's seem to have initial delivery problems, but that is what your warranty is for. Good luck. Safe Travels.
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jato
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Posted: 11 Jan 2016 at 6:44am |
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Appears that when people become extremely angry they lose all sense of being rational, hence the 2nd post.
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techntrek
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Posted: 10 Jan 2016 at 10:12pm |
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He lost me on his 2nd post in this thread.
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Doug ~ '98 Coleman ('05-'09) ~ '10 171 ('09-'15) ~ 2008 Salem ('14-'23) ~ 2019 Keystone ('23-now) ~
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furpod
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Posted: 10 Jan 2016 at 2:17pm |
Originally posted by Keith-N-Dar
I think you made the right decision to sell your pod. I do think you are in a fools paradise if you think your new trailer will be without problems. The good news is that we don't have to hear about them. Have a nice life Gavin.
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as we say elsewhere.. "quoted for truth" Also.. Gavin, NEVER buy a new home. It's obvious you will lose your mind.
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Keith-N-Dar
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Posted: 10 Jan 2016 at 12:27pm |
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I think you made the right decision to sell your pod. I do think you are in a fools paradise if you think your new trailer will be without problems. The good news is that we don't have to hear about them. Have a nice life Gavin.
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Keith-N-Dar
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