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    Posted: 26 Aug 2017 at 11:54am
In the world of DC that I grew up in, red was always positive and black was always negative.  Now they are starting to use black and white like it was AC.  That's what confuses a lot of older guys.  For instance, the 12 volt DC wires on the LED lights in the Pod are black and white... that's not conventional for DC, that's conventional for AC.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2017 at 11:53am
Originally posted by furpod

Actually, Black Hot, White Neutral or GND is normal. All the red/black/blue etc etc is just user preference.

Go open any piece of 2/1 Romex. Black, White, Bare or Green.

There are some "standards" for colored wires, mostly on multi-pin connections, like your 7 pin.

While there are still a few positive ground systems in the world, unless you own a vintage British car or motorcycle, and a couple BMW motorcycles, also vintage, you are VERY unlikely to have to deal with it. As long as cable "X" goes from the + on the battery to the "POS" clamp on the 12v distribution panel and Cable "Y" goes to the "NEG" clamp. It's all fine.
I think the black/white/green is standard for AC circuits with 10/2 or other gauge romex. Other colors come into play with wires having more than one phase.

Red/black is common in DC circuits. However, conventions vary according to the "vintage" of the builder. I subscribe to red always being positive. In some telecom installations, they will use red to designate the "hot", because telecom installations are "usually" positive ground.

If you're working on a system you're not familiar with it's best to get out your DVM or other test equipment to see what the convention was.

OTOH, if you're working on our house, you check everything because the previous owner used whatever color was convenient; convention be damned. Star
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2017 at 11:46am
Actually, Black Hot, White Neutral or GND is normal. All the red/black/blue etc etc is just user preference.

Go open any piece of 2/1 Romex. Black, White, Bare or Green.

There are some "standards" for colored wires, mostly on multi-pin connections, like your 7 pin.

While there are still a few positive ground systems in the world, unless you own a vintage British car or motorcycle, and a couple BMW motorcycles, also vintage, you are VERY unlikely to have to deal with it. As long as cable "X" goes from the + on the battery to the "POS" clamp on the 12v distribution panel and Cable "Y" goes to the "NEG" clamp. It's all fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2017 at 11:16am
I did some research and it seems that reverse polarity batteries are easy to find in deep cycle marine batteries.  I wrote to the company that sold them and they said they were for applications where the battery would only fit in a certain way.  I think there is some other reason for it because batteries are the same dimension regardless which way you insert it in the battery box and if the cables don't reach you can get longer cables.  I see no reason for a reverse polarity battery and a google search only turns up items about people that charged their batteries backward.  There has to be a reason for it but the vendors of the batteries excuse makes no sense.  It's one of those imponderables in life I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 4:41pm
Familiar with that from being an old tractor guy, but I think someone messed this up badly. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some other stuff effected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 4:33pm
There are many batteries that come in "normal" and "reverse" polarity. I discovered this years ago when I had to replace the battery in my tractor. The model number was ****R, where the "R" meant reverse polarity. When I ordered the replacement, I omitted the "R" when I picked up the battery, only to discover that the terminals were reversed. Oh my!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 4:29pm
WOW, that is rare and crazy. The only way that could possibly happen is to have a completely discharged battery, then charge it backwards. The battery will charge but it will be ruined and useless. It won't spark when you begin charging because it has to be completely discharged for this to happen. You don't see this very often, but it can happen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 2:40pm
Mystery resolved.

Turns out the battery had reversed polarity; I don't know how, when, why, where that could have happened. In talking to a local RV service guy, he mentioned to put a volt meter on the battery itself. Sure enough, it should -11.58 volts.

I bought a new battery and as soon as I finish this yummy pb&j sandwich I'll wire it up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 11:01am
This just keeps getting weirder: disconnecting the battery leads I checked for continuity. The white/negaive labled wire has no resistence (0.00 ohms) to the frame. However, the red/positive wire has about 5.5 ohms.

I attempted to connect the wires back up with the correct (as we know it) polarity, and fastened the red wire to the positive post. Upon connecting the white wire to the negative post, it arced. Big time. Very strange.

Inside the fuse box there are two 40 amp fuses; they are toast. Ithink it's time to hook up and head to the dealer and/or give Forest River a call.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 10:21am
Here' a picture of what I have; I can't really trace the wires back as they go directly into a loom, but you can see they are clearly labled as are the terminals.

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