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    Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 3:36pm
According to etrailer the P2 goes into a power saving mode a few minutes after you quit driving, meaning it is never truly off unless you disconnect it, so it could well be that the tech did just that yesterday which reset it. 

But I doubt that it got locked on from your recall visit if that was awhile ago. You would have noticed hot brakes on an earlier trip. Either way, that leaves unanswered why it got locked on now.  That is not an adjustment issue, there is no normal operating mode where that should ever happen, the purpose of the accelerometer is to make the braking action proportional to your rate of deceleration while using the TV  brakes. No deceleration or braking should mean no voltage out of the controller to the trailer. 

So, the P2 was hung up. Even though it wasn't due to a stuck mechanical pendulum, could be that the potentiometer that the manual slide lever is attached to got stuck. Or frozen software for example could do pretty much the same thing. And we've all had that experience haven't we? LOL 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 2:55pm
  I agree with you and am considering it should be replaced but I am thinking what the factory representative had asked me which was several questions. He had asked me if our truck has been used to jump start another vehicle or have I done any changes to the trucks electrical system my answer was no. But after I talked with him I remembered the truck was in for three recalls and remember one and maybe more they had to reprogram the truck. I leave the controller in the truck all the time connected to the electrical system. Maybe that had something to do with it maybe disconnecting the controller which has not been done in possibly three years and that disconnecting the controller yesterday allowed the controller to be reset. I thought the tech at tropic trailer was correct but I found out he was wrong and now I am thinking the tech from the manufacture is correct that I should continue to use the controller. I am trying to process all the information and be patient to hopefully make the right decision. I have learned that the electronics in the controller are sensitive and can be affected by changes in the trucks electrical system. But I am leaning more now to go ahead and replace but there may be a chance it will be OK maybe agreeing with the factory tech. I will give it more thought I put safety as a priority I think in time I will make the right decision. I thank everyone for their help that's why I have stayed with this forum there has been so much helpful information from everyone. Perhaps what has happened to our controller will be helpful to someone else to understand the electronics of a controller.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 1:47pm
+1 to Offgrid, I wouldn't have a suspect controller.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 1:30pm
+1 to mcarter, despite what Tekonsha says defending their unit I would replace the P2 with a new one. Having to constantly worry and watch that your existing one doesn't smoke your brakes again isn't worth the replacement cost. Worse yet, it might distract you at a critical moment and end up causing an accident. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 9:40am
   I called manufacturer and was told the P-2 does not have a pendulum it has as been said by our very smart members that it has a accelerometer. Was told not to replace it and that if it happens again to unplug to let the electronics in the controller reset. It has never happened before in the past and if it only happens once every 10 years I am happy. I will just need to be careful to pay attention to the lights on display. If it happens again within a few months I will buy a new one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 8:38am
Info from etrailer. The P2 # 90885 will be easier to learn on and use than the P3, # 90195 initially. The P3 has several features the P2 doesn't including the ability to change the LED screen color, change the language, and the biggest difference is the diagnostics. Instead of flashing a code you would have to look at the P3 has clear messages telling you what the problem is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 8:36am
P2s and P3s both have accelerometers. There are vertical mount specs as mentioned and it is recommended that it be horizontally level. I have owned both and they are relatively inexpensive. I still have one vehicle with a P3 installed. Differences between the two not very clear, however the P3 info says it works with electric and hydraulic brakes. Peace of mind I recommend you replace the "sticky" one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 8:13am
I found a couple of e trailer responses stating that the p2 has an accelerometer. So, I think you're on the right track to call Tekonsha and ask to speak to a tech about it to get a definitive answer. I called them once on how their electric over hydraulic mode works and they were very helpful.

Pendulum or accelerometer aside, probably you do need a new controller, that's a lot cheaper than replacing cooked brakes and bearings. In the meantime you can keep an eye on the voltage output reading on the P2 and stop if it shows anything other than zero when you're not using the brakes. I don't think there is any practical difference between the P3 and the P2 unless you tow multiple trailers and can make use of the P3's memory functions. 

Electric trailer brakes are 1950's technology, so sure they're simple but not very reliable and need a lot of maintenance and adjustment by today's standards. Hydraulic disk brakes with active (antilock) technology on modern vehicles are worlds better. Vehicles are far more complex yet last much longer and need much less maintenance now than they did 60 years ago. And it doesn't help that our trailer brakes and axles are made as cheaply as possible either. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 6:07am
   I found the information on e-trailer from a 2011 answer from one of their techs. He said the P-3 uses a inertia accelerometer activated by a pendulum circuit. If that is the same thing the technician was referring to that repaired our trailer I don't know. If it does not have a pendulum of some sorts and the our brake controller malfunction because of some faulty electronics then I think it should be replaced. Our P-2 brake controller is about 10 years old don't know if the technology changed but I am thinking it is the same as the P-2 controllers built today. I think for the correct answer I would need to call the manufacturer. I am thinking about the P-3 the price is about the same as a P-2. One thing for sure I am not a electrical engineer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 4:42am
Originally posted by David and Danette

 I did a internet search and the Tekonsha P-2 does have a Pendulum and I think GlueGuy you are maybe right and I have it mounted at too much of a angle never had this problem before and maybe I did hit it with my knee and the pendulum got stuck. I don't know but it is mounted in a fixed position maybe a jolt caused the pendulum to get stuck. It seems strange after several years this happened I may need to replace it like Furpod said it is not worth the risk of something serious happening.



Where did you see that the P2 has a pendulum? That is very old tech, I can’t imagine it would use that, it costs more and is less reliable. Everything I’ve seen indicates that the P2 uses a solid state accelerometer (like your smartphone has). It is capable of being mounted in any position as long as it is kept level side to side. That indicates that it can measure accelerations in two axes (along its length and depth but not it’s width). I use a P2 and nave it mounted nearly vertical, work fine.
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