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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : If you&amp;#039;re never going to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7744" rel="nofollow">Larry-D</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Dec 2025 at 12:28pm<br /><br />If you're never going to use the convection/bake function of the MW oven, remove it and put it in your house.&nbsp; &nbsp;Get a smaller and lighter MW oven and place it back in there.&nbsp; Still have some room.<div><br></div><div>A/C, while are they still putting them on the roof.&nbsp; If was going to build a TT I'd put a small one beneath the bed and vent to the rear.&nbsp; Since both area A/C only there would be a weight savings.</div>]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : Replacing the standard RV toilet...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Dec 2025 at 2:06pm<br /><br />Replacing the standard RV toilet with a 'Thetford Curve' with a floor plate was one of the best changes for the kind of camping we do -- which is almost always at primitive sites with no hookups of any kind (and definitely no dump stations).&nbsp; It's an easy thing to dump the bottom of the porta pottie into the pit toilet before we move on to the next place.&nbsp; That's assuming there is a pit toilet -- a fair amount of the time we're doing dispersed camping.&nbsp; But with a 5 gallon capacity and just my wife and I (and given we're out hiking all day), we can pretty easily go a week between needing to dump.]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : I removed the microwave from a...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=14150" rel="nofollow">ppine</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Dec 2025 at 1:16pm<br /><br />I removed the microwave from a 177 to increase kitchen storage.&nbsp;<div>AC is an option on these trailers.&nbsp; Best to leave in place even if you don't use it much.&nbsp;</div><div>The Hood River version sold in the West is already lifted with 15 inch tires.&nbsp;</div><div>The standard RV black water system works fine, I would not mess with it.&nbsp; Much greater storage capacity.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : Yeah, we did. I mean, we didn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Dec 2025 at 5:47am<br /><br />Yeah, we did.&nbsp; I mean, we didn't end up with an r-Pod but rather an r-Pod sized trailer (a 17' Gulfstream&nbsp; that weighs 2850# empty), and we towed it with our 2020 Outback XT.&nbsp; We did a trip from Michigan to the southwest and back with that tow vehicle twice.&nbsp; We still the Subie as a daily driver, but the last two times we've done the trip, we've used a Nissan Armada -- which is overkill for our trailer, but we also do some off-roading while we're out west and the Armada, with 4LO, is better for that (and the agencies out there have gotten touchy about 'no AWD only real 4WD' on many trails).&nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>The biggest issue with the Subaru was tongue weight and squat.&nbsp; I did add some 'Sumo spring' helpers, but you can't easily add air suspension and Subaru does not support using a weight-distributing hitch.&nbsp; So we really couldn't drive at night or other drivers would get really annoyed with our headlights (and I couldn't adjust the aim enough).&nbsp; Power going over the mountains was never a problem though.&nbsp; I'm sure the Ascent, with a 5000# towing limit, a 500# tongue weight rating, and the same turbo engine would be better though (but you still can't use a WDH).</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2025 05:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : So did you actually tow your R...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6912" rel="nofollow">jlferris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Dec 2025 at 7:09pm<br /><br />So did you actually tow your R pod with a Subaru? If so, what model. How did it go?]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : I confess, GlueGuy, when I looked...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6036" rel="nofollow">lostagain</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2022 at 11:52am<br /><br />I confess, GlueGuy, when I looked up the ingredients, I left a few out, including garlic. &nbsp;The more, the better. &nbsp;Almost as good as cast iron skillet fried bacon. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 11:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : Did someone say bologna? Now we...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7143" rel="nofollow">Linda&Gino</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2022 at 10:54am<br /><br />Did someone say bologna? Now we talking!<div><br></div><div>Just washed the 'Pod and we're headed south tomorrow for a week of desert camping. Whoever gave the tip on Meguiars' ceramic wax, thanks. Stuff worked like a charm.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, I did weight the 179 when we bought it and it was about 200# heavier than the claimed weight even without battery and LP. When I was dialing in my WDH, I weighed it again with the normal load we would take camping and, no surprise it was a lot more, not just a bit more. The weight of stuff really adds up fast. I knew this from years of backpacking, but it was a good reminder transitioning into RV life.</div><div><br></div><div>You all take care</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : I&amp;#039;m with you LA, but I&amp;#039;m...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2022 at 10:01am<br /><br />I'm with you LA, but I'm a big fan of minced garlic.<div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? :  I wonder if we have witnessed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6036" rel="nofollow">lostagain</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 4:51pm<br /><br />I wonder if we have witnessed a clash of some pretty big egos? &nbsp;Just askin'.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley24.gif" border="0" alt="Ermm" title="Ermm" /><div><br></div><div>Certainly, the deceased horse has been soundly beaten to a pulp and is ready, with the addition of some salt and pepper, myrtle berry powder, and potassium nitrate, to put into the bologna casing.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2022 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? :  My &amp;#039;pod has been great,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 2:19pm<br /><br /><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>My 'pod has been great, but if you want to delete appliances, I'd buy something else, or order one built without the stuff you don't want. Plus, you will sell it one day. Do you really want to pay extra and immediately reduce its value?</i></span><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">If experience is any guide, we may never sell it.&nbsp; We've bought one house, one cottage, one sailboat, have had them all for over 20 years and never sold any of them.&nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being the same with the trailer.&nbsp; The most likely thing would be eventually handing it down to one of our kids.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">The only thing we still might delete is the A/C.&nbsp; Meaning only taking it out, putting in another skylight vent and storing the A/C somewhere.&nbsp; We'd much rather have more natural light in that end of the trailer than A/C we'll probably never use (man that thing is loud!).&nbsp; But if the new buyer wanted it, they could have it.&nbsp; The only reason the A/C is still there is the effort involved in making the change.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">And I'm really not sure what we'd trade up to.&nbsp; I don't want to go bigger and don't really like more expensive smaller trailers that much.&nbsp; I'm not keen on the smaller Airstreams, for example.&nbsp; Big beautiful windows...in the front of the trailer by the bed!?&nbsp; No, that's wrong!&nbsp; Nearly all the time, the front of the trailer faces the other campers -- we don't want to look at them or them at us (especially when we're in bed&nbsp;<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />)&nbsp; The biggest windows and dinette should be in the back of the trailer -- or at least on the side -- where you're looking at the scenery rather than your neighbors.&nbsp; Even in places where we had no neighbors and were able to back the trailer into a place where we had an expansive view over a valley, there would have been no way to achieve that view from the front of the trailer.&nbsp; And then we wanted the bed at one end and dinette at the other so one person could stay up later or get up earlier and not disturb the one who's sleeping.&nbsp; We like, too, that our bed almost feels like it's in own cabin.&nbsp; Our heads are behind the bathroom wall, so a short curtain seals off the rest and it's quite separate and light doesn't get in.&nbsp; In short, it wasn't a random choice and there aren't many other options that meet all those criteria.</span></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2022 14:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : The UVW of 2950 of my 180 is close....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9899" rel="nofollow">Colt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 1:27pm<br /><br />The UVW of 2950 of my 180 is close.  With some canned food, full water heater, pots, pans, etc. towels/sheets, cleaning supplies, full propane and 1 battery,  everything I need to pull out and leave save clothes, fresh water and food, my 180 weighs 3122 lbs with about 14% on the tongue.  <br /><br />You'll be fine as long as you don't go crazy.  Get your water at the edge of civilization, so you don't have to haul it over half of Georgia.  <br /><br />My 'pod has been great, but if you want to delete appliances, I'd buy something else, or order one built without the stuff you don't want.  Plus, you will sell it one day.  Do you really want to pay extra and immediately reduce its value?  ]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : Dont hold your breath. </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 12:41pm<br /><br />Dont hold your breath. ]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : &amp;#034;...but his arguments are...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 12:22pm<br /><br />"...<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">&nbsp;but his arguments are in general poorly considered or just plain silly and its easy to see through them"</span><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">When you post a link to substantiate&nbsp;your position in ANY of our points of disagreement, that'll be the first time.&nbsp; You never back up any of your claims with actual data.&nbsp; Pick a point where you think I'm wrong and show us the data backing you up.&nbsp; We'll wait.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div>]]>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? : Yeah he&amp;#039;s trying to pull...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 11:20am<br /><br />Yeah he's trying to pull my tail, that's what trolls do, but his arguments are in general poorly considered or just plain silly and its easy to see through them. As I've said I have no objection to him doing whatever he wants within legal limits, and maybe not even then as long as I don't have to share the road with him. But I do feel a responsibility to help other forum readers,  who may not follow these threads, to make safe decisions rather than just say to themselves that that guy is towing that great big trailer with a tiny little crossover so I'm gonna do the same. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 11:01am<br /><br /><i><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Personally, I'm thinking Mark W gets a kick out of pulling your tail offgrid. I think he's been doing this just to get your goat, as he's made his points several times. It's been almost as much fun following this as reading Mondays at the tire shop on another forum.</span><img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></i><div><i><br></i></div><div>I'm not trolling -- I haven't said anything I don't think is right.&nbsp; But sure, it's possible that there's some entertainment value nonetheless.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2022 11:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>P-pod for dry camping? :  &amp;#034;So there is indeed good...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 7:47am<br /><br />"<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">So there is indeed good reason to doubt the sticker weight"</span><div><br></div><div>In the case where you are not the original owner or where you are relying a spec, not the manufacturers statement of the weight when it left the factory <i>with two full propane bottles.</i>&nbsp; This isn't a number they could fudge without facing legal difficulties.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For fiberglass boats, it's a different story -- you can't trust the specs because the actual weight depends on the fiberglass layup (and how careful the workers were being at the time).&nbsp; Weights will differ from boat to boat of the same model (and all will generally heavier than advertised).&nbsp; But Gulfstream <i>attested to the actual weight of my trailer when it rolled out of the factory</i> (with those full propane tanks).&nbsp; They'd face legal liability if they were faking or lying about it.</div><div><br></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>Sigh again. Do you understand the difference between a monotonic and a linear function?</i></span></div><div><i><br></i></div><div>I do, but apparently you don't.&nbsp; A linear function is one kind of monotonic function, but there are lots of others.&nbsp; The point being, as I said, if you decrease weight by 10%, does that increase safety by 10%?&nbsp; Or 1%?&nbsp; Or 50%?&nbsp; Or 0.1%?&nbsp; All of those are consistent with <i>some</i>&nbsp;monotonic function, but you have no idea which.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>And in fact, we both *know* it's not even a monotonic function because you can increase safety by adding weight <i>when that weight is added to increase tongue weight when it is too low</i>.&nbsp; It's possible that adding weight (especially weight that lowers the center of gravity) may increase safety in some conditions.&nbsp; A heavier trailer may (or may not) handle high winds better than a lightly loaded one.&nbsp; A full tank of water may be better than half a tank that can slosh back and forth.&nbsp; There are a lot of complexities.<br><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">So I'd recommend that you check your brake operation regularly"</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I check it every time I hook up by hitting the brake controller and making sure the trailer brakes respond -- don't you?</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Well I knew you don't have a trailer with electric over hydraulic disc brakes. Those are very expensive complex systems not for the likes of mere mortals like us with little rpods or similar TT's."</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Hydraulic disc brakes aren't that expensive.&nbsp; The disc brake upgrade kit for my sailboat boat trailer was about $500 when I bought it (though that was probably ten years ago)</span></div></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"If you could afford such a system I doubt you would be towing a boxy TT with a little bitty SUV."</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div>We could afford just about any RV on the road if that was a high enough priority, but RVing is just one of many things we like to do -- no reason to dump in more money than necessary.&nbsp; Going small was an intentional choice to be able to go to smaller, quieter, more scenic camping spots.&nbsp; We looked at some of the pricier small trailers (Lance, for example.&nbsp; And our friend were trying to talk us into one of <a href="https://safaric&#111;ndo.com/en/caravanes-alto/" target="_blank">these </a>that they own).&nbsp; But we read of problems with the Lance with sagging torsion axles and the big slideout, the Altos seemed more cramped inside -- and why spend twice as much as you need to?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>We also looked at bigger TVs.&nbsp; Alternatives included a 4Runner (but it would have been a thirsty, less comfortable daily driver), Grand Cherokee (nice, but I don't trust reliability long term), and 3 row crossovers like the Ascent, Pilot, and Telluride.&nbsp; But with the kids grown, we just didn't need another 3 row vehicle.&nbsp; And with the 3rd row folded (which it always would be), you just don't get that much extra cargo space.</div></div><div><br></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>Vehicles last a very long time nowadays if well maintained so no reason to be afraid of buying used. I personally would never buy new unless perhaps if there was a "must have" feature of that particular vehicle which was unobtainable in the used market, like for example the vehicle to home charging capability of the new electric F15O.</i></span></div><div><br></div><div>They do last a long time, but used vehicle prices are very high -- in my judgement, they are not a good deal right now (the same is true of travel trailers -- used prices are crazy).&nbsp; The first x years of a cars life are its best years, and I'd rather enjoy those years myself.&nbsp; And we can afford it.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>I do most of my own maintenance as I own an EAB aircraft</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">You can stop right there.&nbsp; The safety record of EAB aircraft is quite bad even compared to general aviation as a whole.&nbsp; No way I'd even go for a ride in one of those things.&nbsp; Best thing, I think, that happened to my Dad as a pilot was developing an epoxy allergy and not being able to complete the plane he was building.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I agree, though, this is probably enough for now.</span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9043" rel="nofollow">Dirt Sifter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 7:36am<br /><br />Personally, I'm thinking Mark W gets a kick out of pulling your tail offgrid. I think he's been doing this just to get your goat, as he's made his points several times. It's been almost as much fun following this as reading Mondays at the tire shop on another forum.<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Apr 2022 at 5:15am<br /><br />Sigh. If you have a higher rig load rating then you have more capacity to carry weight. But if you succumb to your human tendency to add load you can consume that capacity and be back where you started or worse. And the human capability to estimate how much things weigh is not very good. Hence the need to weigh your rig fully loaded for travel. Added safety factors should be determined based on that weight, not on empty weight. <br /><br />I'll say it again, my empty trailer weighed about 250-300 lbs more than the number on the sticker. I could not account for that other than simply that the sticker was wrong. You are free to assume that I used an uncalibrated scale (I didn't) or am unable to perform  basic addition and subtraction (I can) and discount my statement, but others have been surprised as well. So there is indeed good reason to doubt the sticker weight, but of course you aren't really looking for a reason, you want it to just be ok so you can do what you already decided to do anyway. That is a dangerous aspect of human nature too.<br /><br />I've also weighed numerous airplanes. If they haven't been weight recently they always weigh more, often substantially more, than their weight and balance data inducates, which is supposed to be carefully obtained either by direct weighing or calculated per FAA regs. Here's an aviation saying for you: airplanes and people both gain weight as they age. <br /><br />So, yes you are guessing your rig weight unless you actually weigh using a calibrated scale. It's very easy to do. <br /><br />Sigh again. Do you understand the difference between a monotonic and a linear function? I can say without guessing that the controllability and therefore the safety of a rig monotonically decreases as load increases. There are not going to be any weird points where the controllability goes flat or gets better as the load increases. That is magical thinking. I'd be quite surprised if it's linear however.  <br /><br />Well I knew you don't have a trailer with electric over hydraulic disc brakes. Those are very expensive complex systems not for the likes of mere mortals like us with little rpods or similar TT's. If you could afford such a system I doubt you would be towing a boxy TT with a little bitty SUV.  <br /><br />Many many people on this forum and elsewhere have had problems with their drum trailer brakes. FR uses very poor quality insulation displacement connectors which have a bad habit of going open or to a high resistance connection resulting in magnets that don't get activated or are very unbalanced. Others have had issues with their self adjustment stars either not self adjusting or getting overtightened. Others have had problems even with brand new trailers because the brakes never got properly burnished per Lippert procedures. Or warped drums or poor quality brake linings that crumble in the drums  I've had some of these issues myself. Do an advanced search on this forum as see for yourself.<br /><br />So I'd recommend that you check your brake operation regularly especially as you seem to intend to rely heavily on your trailer brake function. An IR thermometer is a very easy and inexpensive way to do it. You're looking for consistent temps side to side on each axle and also for no one axle on your rig to be running very hot while others are cool. Check after descending a significant grade, takes just a few seconds. But of course you already know everything is ok without checking. <br /><br />Shiny new sounded like off the new dealer lot to me. My point was simply that there are many choices that allow folks to have a capable tow vehicle at an affordable price which they can use to camp comfortably utilizing all their trailer's systems. It is very unusual for a family not to want to use the systems the trailer comes with.<br /><br />Vehicles last a very long time nowadays if well maintained so no reason to be afraid of buying used. I personally would never buy new unless perhaps if there was a "must have" feature of that particular vehicle which was unobtainable in the used market, like for example the vehicle to home charging capability of the new electric F15O.<br /><br />As for your aviation saying, if you were involved in aviation you'd know that there are at least as many of those as there are pilots. So I hadn't heard that one. My personal favorite IMC one is about avoiding flying around in the clouds with the rocks in them.<br /><br />Do you understand the difference between IMC, VMC, IFR, and VFR? Your article was about scud running. That is an activity VFR pilots engage in. The accident rate doing that is very high. It's called "VFR flight into IMC". I obtained my instrument rating largely so I would never be tempted to scud run. I can file an IFR flight plan and climb through that low cloud layer to an altitude where it's safe to fly, and usually clear of clouds. Altitude is your friend in aviation, I never fly low except when in the airport environment.<br /><br />Why would you be surprised that I fly? Is there something that suggested to you that I am risk averse? Life is full of risk/reward decisions, if you take no risks and just stay home you'll probably die young from lack of excersize or brain atrophy.<br /><br />So I fly myself and my wife because to us the rewards are well worth the risks. I understand and manage the risks, making sure that the aircraft and I are both properly prepared and that the weather conditions are well within our capabilities. <br /><br />I do most of my own maintenance as I own an EAB aircraft, and I actually listen to what my A&P/IA/CFII tells me, who has far more experience with stuff that goes wrong with airplanes that I do, and never just charge in making the assumption that everything will be fine.  I assume it's not fine unless I came prove that it is. Since your decision making indicates that you unwilling to do that I would agree with your decision that aviating to too risky for you to engage in.<br /><br />I'm retired so I don't need to be anywhere at a particular hour. I'll just wait for better conditions.  "Time to spare, go by air", there is another good aviation saying for you.<br /><br />And btw I weigh my aircraft and don't rely on the math skills of some long dead A&P who might have made up some numbers when he did a weight and balance calc 40 years ago, or before the aircraft got that pretty paint job that wasn't accounted for. And of course I never exceed max weight and stay well below that when flying out of high density altitude fields or in IMC.<br /><br />Enough banter. I think we've both made our positions and methods abundantly clear by this point. Enjoy your trailer and good luck to you. <br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2022 at 1:01pm<br /><br /><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>Of course having higher safety factors in towing and load ratings increases the capacity of a rig to handle extreme conditions. To say otherwise is just plain absurd: Or troll behavior, take your pick.</i></span><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Unless people respond to having a higher rating by loading up the trailer more heavily (which is very a natural human tendency)</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>Controllability and towing safety will follow a monotonically decreasing function as the weight increases.</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">You actually what the relationship looks like.&nbsp; Is the function even linear?&nbsp; Does a 10% increase in weight reduce safety by 10%?&nbsp; 25%&nbsp; 1%?&nbsp; All of those values are consistent with a monotonical relationship -- but are VERY different.&nbsp; And you really don't have ANY idea which it is.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>First, there are no rotors</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Some trailers have disc brakes (my sailboat trailer does).&nbsp; My travel trailer has drums, but I noticed no conditions where they were not performing as expected.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Not sure what you mean by a rig simply not being able to handle a trip.</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">&nbsp;"</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Breakdowns.&nbsp; Overheating.&nbsp; Structural failures.&nbsp; Getting stuck.&nbsp; Not being able to climb steep mountain grades at more than 40MP, etc.&nbsp; I am sure you could think of other scenarios.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">BTW, did you ever actually weigh your rig or are you still just guessing what your loads are?"</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I am not guessing.&nbsp; I have the exact weight of the dry trailer of 2825# (detailed down to 'including the weight of two full propane bottles') when it left the factory.&nbsp; &nbsp; I have no more reason to distrust those numbers than I do the vehicle rating numbers from Subaru.&nbsp; I'm the original owner, so I know what's been added to increase the dry weight (nothing).&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I also know what we load into it (clothing, food, kitchenware, some tools and equipment, water in a 6 gallon jerry can -- certainly less than 300#).&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I do have a scale for tongue weight.&nbsp; &nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>No one has suggested buying a big new TV. I for one never buy new vehicles</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Sigh.&nbsp; New, meaning a new vehicle for the owner -- one that they don't already own, not necessarily new as in brand new from the dealer.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">As an instrument rated pilot though I don't get that reference"</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Really?&nbsp; You're an instrument-rated pilot but not only had never heard that but can't even imagine what it means?&nbsp; Well, OK, here's one random&nbsp;<a href="https://www.greatusermanuals.com/clips/html_files/scud_running.html" target="_blank">online reference</a>&nbsp;via google.&nbsp; The point is that the usual time between a fatal crash and the funerals is about enough time to for any bad weather to have cleared out and if the pilot had waited, they and their passengers would be flying in the that good weather rather than being buried in it.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I am not a pilot myself, but come from a family of pilots.&nbsp; My Dad and Uncle were pilots, and when I was a kid, we used to travel in the family plane on vacation and to visit relatives.&nbsp; I never took lessons but did a fair amount of flying from the right seat with my Dad.&nbsp; To his disappointment, I never became a pilot myself, though.&nbsp; It's just a more dangerous activity than I want to do, especially having a family.&nbsp; It's about 20 times more dangerous per mile than driving (which, in turn, is around 20 times more dangerous than flying commercial).&nbsp; I guess I'm a little surprised, given your attitudes here that you'd be willing to engage in such an inherently risky activity.&nbsp; Or are you a commercial jet pilot (that's incredibly safe)</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2022 at 6:06am<br /><br />The ability of a heavier vehicle to allow an increase in tongue weight without exceeding max tongue weight is not to be underestimated. That headroom tends to be the limiting factor with light tow vehicles,  because the TV manufacturers generally set max tongue weights at 10% of max trailer weight. and 10% is very close to or below the minimum  needed to avoid sway in trailers like rpods. Also, that percentage changes as trailer loading changes, making it even more difficult to stay within specs.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In my 179 it changed by about 3% between full fresh water and full gray water tank conditions, and was the limiting factor in my loading capacity. <br /><br />Of course having higher safety factors in towing and load ratings increases the capacity of a rig to handle extreme conditions. To say otherwise is just plain absurd: Or troll behavior, take your pick. <br /><br />Not towing: safe<br />Towing within limits less safe<br />Towing over limits: unsafe.<br /><br />Hmm. The 3 state quantum theory of towing.<br /><br />Except that trailers aren't subatomic particles and outside the quantum realm physical phenomena do not reside in discrete states. Controllability and towing safety will follow a monotonically decreasing function as the weight increases. That is not a guess, there is no question. <br /><br />And a larger vehicle will of course handle a swaying trailer better than a lighter one. How many times have we seen a untility trailer behind an F250 swaying all over while the truck tracks along as if planted? Higher mass, greater contact patch friction, siffer suspension, and longer wheelbase will all resist sway.<br /><br />All mechanical and structural engineering involves the application of safety factors. Those are established either by standard practice, engineering judgement or they are regulatory. In towing they regulatory augmebnted by individual judgement guided by standard practice. Very few experienced operators choose to tow right at the OEM ratings. <br /><br />But if you want to that's ok with me, as I said. Just don't imply that your use case (and empty box with no use of the onboard plumbin) is a normal one. It is highly unusual,  placing anyone who might attempt to replicate it while loading more normally at risk. <br /><br />Your statements indicate that you don't understand how trailer brakes work and what they can and can't do.  First, there are no rotors  They are 1950s technology drum brakes, modulated by a poorly regulated electromagnetic system. They are notoriously weak, grabby, unreliable&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and imbalanced. Pull your wheels and inspect them as you should be doing and see for yourself. So absolutely, you are largely depending on your TV bydraulic disk brakes wih their<br />nice ABS and load balanced control systems for both emergency stops and control on grades. And if course a larger TV has more reserve braking capacity.  Bring along an IR thermometer and see which brakes are getting too hot (or worse, not getting hot at all)  under various conditions. It's an eye opener.of sure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />Not sure what you mean by a rig simply not being able to handle a trip. I have no doubt that any modern rig could negotiate just about anything within reason, taken cautionsly and slowly enough. I used to drive a loaded 1960 40hp VW bus over any number of mountain passes and bad roads  I managed all of 10 mph up and down in low gear, it took forever and wasn't very practical but I could do it and not cook eithér the engine or brakes in the process  By comparison stuff today is wildly overpowered and overbraked. That was never my concern here, highway safety is. <br /><br />Sure have head of Peltzman. Did you not read my last post? I described tbe complacency effect there. It is certainly easy to just add more stuff and be overloaded with a larger TV. This is why I said that the rig should be taken to a scale and actually weighed. They apply your safety factor to that. <br /><br />BTW, did you ever actually weigh your rig or are you still just guessing what your loads are?<br /><br />No one has suggested buying a big new TV. I for one never buy new vehicles, there are plenty of great used vehicles  and it's been my experience that vehicle size does not corellate with price much if at all. Lots of lighter vehicles cost more that heavier ones  depending on what options or brand cachet they might have. Or if you are truly enamored of a particular TV you can get a trailer that is a good match for that vehicle.  <br /><br />I do agree with your driving safety recommendations  and would adctd to always drive as if you your brakes will not be available, meaning use engine braking and decelerate early. <br /><br />As an instrument rated pilot though I don't get that reference, Is it intended to imply that I shouldn't fly in IMC despite having the rating  currency, and equipment to do so? <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /> <img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley33.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8960" rel="nofollow">gpokluda</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2022 at 1:22pm<br /><br />Apologies. Just getting used to the site. I'll make sure not be disruptive next time&nbsp;<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2022 at 9:36am<br /><br /><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>The challenge will be to resist the temptation to carry the few extra things that could push you over the limit and to be prepared to see signs of wear and tear on your drive train.&nbsp;&nbsp;</i></span><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Our tow vehicle helps with that temptation.&nbsp; In particular, it helps with being able to tell my wife why we need to keep things light and can't fill the tanks.&nbsp; Which I don't want to do anyway (I don't want to stay in campgrounds with hookups and dump stations, worry about freezing when temps drop at night in the desert, or even listen to the loud water pump).&nbsp; She now (on her own) has made a list of things she didn't use and doesn't need on the next trip (and wants to know how soon we can go).&nbsp; She's quite OK with the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEnlZeRu3x0" target="_blank">insect sprayer shower</a>.&nbsp; Our trailer felt very luxurious compared to, for example, the Canadian couple with a rooftop tent on their Highlander who were making do with sponge baths ;)</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">As for the drivetrain, towing adds wear and tear regardless.&nbsp; But when Subaru came out with the Outback XT models like ours, they dropped in the drivetrain from the larger, heavier 3-row Ascent that has a 5000# rating, so it <i>should </i>be up to the task.&nbsp; But we'll see.</span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2022 at 9:19am<br /><br /><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>Beyond that there are cases of rpods (and many other trailer models) developing sway with tongue weight at or below 10% of trailer weight so you should stay above that under all loading conditions.</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Yes, I agree that trailer sway is really the biggest safety concern.&nbsp; But a larger vehicle doesn't seem to help much in that (looking at all the dashcam trailer crash videos, you can see it doesn't take a very large trailer to roll a pickup when the trailer goes sideways).&nbsp; A larger TV only really helps to the extent that it makes it easier to increase tongue weight without exceeding max tongue weight.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><i>...most here want at least 10-20% above that to improve vehicle control under extreme/emergency conditions</i></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">But, AFAIK, you don't have any data at all to show what the effects of a 10%, or 20% or 50% margin with respect to tow ratings has.&nbsp; <i>Does </i>it actually improve safety in extreme conditions?&nbsp; And <i>how much</i>?&nbsp; You simply don't know.&nbsp; It's just a guess.&nbsp; I'm not blaming you for not having such data.&nbsp; I don't think anybody really has it (there are so many possible combinations of TV and trailer and even for a given combination, things will vary based on the hitch setup, loading of the vehicles, tires, weather conditions, speeds, etc).</span></div><div><br></div><div><i>As for the validity of using a 4000 mile trip as an assesent of safety, it is important to understand the statistics of low probability events and how safety incidents occur.</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div>It is true, though, that driving is very safe (even while towing -- though obviously less so).&nbsp; It's the reason why safety problems with autonomous vehicles took so long to emerge.&nbsp; So, no, a single 4400 mile trip can't tell us about safety at a level of a handful of crashes per million miles driven.&nbsp; But it can rule out the idea that the configuration just doesn't work (e.g. that it simply can't handle mountains or wind or rough roads or will break down and overheat, etc).&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>but might if those two events were combined with a slick road surface or a significant crosswind, or both.</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Is my stopping distance while towing longer or shorter than it would be if I were driving the larger Subaru Ascent vs our Subaru Outback?&nbsp; The trailer brakes provide the stopping power for the weight of the trailer in both cases (and the vehicle brakes for the vehicles).&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">And have you heard of the <a href="https://thedecisi&#111;nlab.com/reference-guide/psychology/the-peltzman-effect" target="_blank">Peltzman Effect</a>?&nbsp; This suggests that people with heavier tow vehicles may be more likely to load the trailer more heavily (but the trailer brake rotors don't get bigger), drive faster, drive in more adverse conditions, etc.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i>What I do object to is encouraging others, who might be new to trailer towing and may not yet have the skills needed to weigh or operate their rigs safely, to take such unnecessary risks.&nbsp;</i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><i><br></i></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">What I object to is confidently telling people that they should allow a 10% or 20% margin, when you don't have any data backing that up.&nbsp; You may be discouraging people from getting into RVing at all by telling them they have to go out and buy big new TV before they even get started.&nbsp; But in the end, both of us are just guys commenting on the Internet -- nobody should take our opinions as any kind of gospel.</span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">My safety advice for towing would be less about the TV (other than staying within specs).&nbsp; First, I agree that getting the tongue weight high enough to minimize sway is critical.&nbsp; After that, it would about behavior.&nbsp; Drive slow -- especially until you gain more experience.&nbsp; And avoid driving in bad weather (there's an old saying from flying something like "</span><span style="color: rgb77, 81, 86; font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">90% of those killed in IFR conditions are&nbsp;</span><span style="color: rgb95, 99, 104; font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">buried on VFR days</span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb95, 99, 104; font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">").&nbsp; </span><font color="#5f6368" face="Roboto, arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px;">If you have to wait somewhere for an extra day or two until a storm blows over, do it (as we chose to do in the Wichita&nbsp;Mountains on this trip -- we were really ready to move on, but the predicted winds were crazy high, so we hunkered down).</span></font></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6036" rel="nofollow">lostagain</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2022 at 6:19am<br /><br />MarkW, I'm glad you had a wonderful trip and had no serious issues with your trailer or TV. &nbsp;As long as &nbsp;you keep the weight down below the maximum capacity both in towing weight and combined gross vehicle weight, especially with the awareness of being close to the limit as you drive, you'll probably be fine. &nbsp;The challenge will be to resist the temptation to carry the few extra things that could push you over the limit and to be prepared to see signs of wear and tear on your drive train. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I was advised, when I decided to sell our 172 and was looking for a trailer with a little more room, that the slightly wider &#091;6"&#093;, higher &#091;another 6"&#093;, and heavier &#091;about 500# gvw&#093;, and longer &#091;3'&#093; Sonoma 167rb would result in much poor fuel economy, much more problematic to drive. &nbsp;Though I was much closer to the maximum combined vehicle weight, I was still within the limits. &nbsp;I had no issues towing the new trailer and the fuel consumption was exactly the same as it was when I pulled our Pod. &nbsp;In fact, the under chassis wheel configuration, instead of the cantilevered axle of the rPod, made towing easier because I needed a foot less side to side clearance for the trailer. &nbsp;So much for the advice I got.</div><div><br></div><div>So, enjoy your trailer and travels. &nbsp;And, as they say in the Boy Scouts, be prepared.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2022 at 5:37am<br /><br />If you are (by actual weighing, not estimates based on empty weight specs) within all your vehicles' limitations (all 3 axles, tow vehicle max, trailer max, combined vehicle max, tongue max), and you otherwise meet the towing requirements of your vehicle (eg <br />frontal area)  then you are legal. <br /><br />Beyond that there are cases of rpods (and many other trailer models) developing sway with tongue weight at or below 10% of trailer weight so you should stay above that under all loading conditions. <br /><br />Towing safety factors beyond these are up to the operator, most here want at least 10-20% above that to improve vehicle control under extreme/emergency conditions. Some want much more than that based in their personal experience and risk tolerance. <br /><br />As for the validity of using a 4000 mile trip as an assesent of safety, it is important to understand the statistics of low probability events and how safety incidents occur. <br /><br />Nearly all incidents involve multiple coincident factors. Several things have to go wrong at once, otherwise such incidents would be much more common. For example, a wreck might not occurs because of a marginal tow vehicle combined with an idiot pulling out in front, but might if those two events were combined with a slick road surface or a significant crosswind, or both.<br /><br />When safety experts evaluate these incidents they generally see a combination of several of these adverse factors with one or more unsafe behaviors by the operator. These unsafe behaviors are reinforced if nothing bad happens and become the operator's norm. That's just human nature and it's difficult to counteract. That's why modern safety traing focusses on identifying and enhancing the operator's awareness of his behavior, rather than just training against a list of rules.<br /><br />In this case the behavior is travelling with a borderline rig, and it's reinforced by thousands of miles without incident, until ultimately a combination of adverse factors can combine to result in an accident. Remember that serious accidents are thankfully very rare events and take millions of miles of travel to obtain good statistics for. <br /><br />In any case, if youre legal, additional safety factors are up to you and I have no objection, we are all free within our legal limits to operate our vehicles as we wish.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What I do object to is encouraging others, who might be new to trailer towing and may not yet have the skills needed to weigh or operate their rigs safely, to take such unnecessary risks. That in my view shows lack of regard for others' well being. <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9043" rel="nofollow">Dirt Sifter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2022 at 9:29pm<br /><br />gpokluda, had you read the most recent posts you would have seen Mark didn't buy an Rpod (complete with pictures) and that he finished his trip without serious issues. He got things done well. Kinda the reason the admin's say to read all the posts before we write one.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2022 at 4:55pm<br /><br /><i>If you want to stick with your TV you may want to look at a trailer with a bit lower profile and higher ground clearance like some of the trail ready tear drops that are out there, but at the end of the day, you go with what you got.</i><div><i><br></i></div><div>Ours isn't a Pod, but similar in size and weight--probably closest to a 171 (no slide), but a little taller and wider.&nbsp; Anyway, ground clearance really wasn't a problem.&nbsp; We aren't trying to overland, just get into some dispersed sites that required a few bits of what I guess you'd say is light off-roading.&nbsp; Rougher than getting to some of the camp sites were a couple of long unpaved roads -- particularly&nbsp;<a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti&#111;n_Review-g57030-d3227731-Reviews-House_Rock_Valley_Road-Kanab_Utah.html#REVIEWS" target="_blank">Rock House Valley Road</a>&nbsp;that stretches about 30 miles across Vermillion Cliffs.&nbsp; The problem was sections of washboard.&nbsp; Two things did go a little wrong that time.&nbsp; First, one of the rear stab jacks vibrated part way down and then did drag at one point and bent a little (but I was able to bend it back).&nbsp; The other was that our double rear dinette window wasn't fully latched and worked it's way partly open and ... the dust!!!&nbsp; Not a fun cleanup (I wished we had that propane-powered shop vac).&nbsp; But it was worth it get to the trailhead for the Buckskin Gulch slot canyon which is spectacular.&nbsp; Checking out the trailer post-trip is a good idea.&nbsp; We've been home a few days now and have done a thorough cleanout of the trailer and things look to no worse for wear.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8960" rel="nofollow">gpokluda</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2022 at 2:29pm<br /><br />Hi Mark and welcome. Ditto what most of the replies have said. We do a mix of boondocking and hookups and for that, the Rpod works great. As others have said, rough roads are tough on the Pod so you will want to go slow and inspect the trailer on your return. Your TV may be a little light for the task at hand. If you want to stick with your TV you may want to look at a trailer with a bit lower profile and higher ground clearance like some of the trail ready tear drops that are out there, but at the end of the day, you go with what you got.<div><br></div><div>All the best! Keep us posted what you decide.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11100" rel="nofollow">MarkW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Apr 2022 at 8:43am<br /><br />We were within all rated limits for the tow vehicle -- just not x% below rated limits where x% is determined by no data, only by seat of the pants 'just to be safe' guessing.&nbsp; We never filled water or waste tanks and did not carry anywhere nearly enough gear to put us even close to 3500#.&nbsp; Tongue weight was close to, but under the rated 350#.&nbsp; Total TV loading was within rated limits as well.&nbsp; I know you think you need to add a 10% or 20% (or is it 30% -- how do you decide?) additional safety margin above and beyond the safety margin that the actual professional automotive engineers already designed into the vehicle.&nbsp; I disagree.&nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>It wasn't just 4400# miles, it was driving, at times, in strong head and crosswinds, over multiple mountain passes, across long, rough unpaved roads (in Vermillion Cliffs and Escalante) and to dispersed camp sites that sometimes required 4WD and high-clearance.&nbsp; We had to do a panic stop when a jackass pulled out in front of us.&nbsp; It was a pretty thorough workout.&nbsp; It wasn't a high-heat workout (temps were never above the low 80s and mostly lower -- especially high in the mountains), but that's OK -- we have not intention of ever camping in really hot temperatures (yuck!)</div><div><br></div><div>Probably not much point in going around and around more on safety margins.&nbsp; Happy camping (or farming)!</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 14379<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Apr 2022 at 7:39am<br /><br />Ok, thread is awake. <br /><br />I'm certainly happy to hear that nothing bad happened, but that doesn't change my view that this is dangerous behavior. 4000 miles without a problem is nowhere near an adequate data set. In safety engineering, unsafe activities recur many times but don't redult in injury or death until they do, meaning that statistics apply.  <br /><br />The death rate from crashes in the US is about 1 per 100,000,000 miles. So you would need to have thousands of rigs like this on the road for years to obtain meaningful statistics. Lacking that you have to go with load capacity analysis and expert recommendations.  <br /><br />So to new owners or soon to be owners, please get an adequate tow vehicle and don't let wishful thinking sway you to do something unsafe. There is always someone on the internet that will tell you whatever dangerous behavior you might want to do is OK.  Don't believe it. <br /><br />]]>
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